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Glad to see I am not alone (ad commitment advice please)

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  • Glad to see I am not alone (ad commitment advice please)

    Hi all,

    I am not married, but in a long-term 6 year relationship with a second year resident that hopefully will lead to it if we both try. I am going to be 30 in the summer and he will be 34 then too, so we are not young kids. I am joining since I am in a weird spot like all of you have gotten into, While I have people who are well-meaning, they don't understand what it is like being in a relationship with someone medical. I think I need support from people who are going through this bittersweet part of life. I should have joined earlier.

    My SO and I have been together 6 years as said earlier. We almost moved out of state for his residency, but we decided to stay where we are since he felt like it was the "safe" option. I was ready to uproot my nice engineering job and everything. When he was about to start residency here (where we both lived while he was in med school and earlier), I was unable to afford moving in with him as I was working a different job then though he was looking into it. That has since changed. I now am in a lease where I have to make a decision and so is he. I think it is time for us to finally consider moving in together.

    For a little background on this, maybe this can help. He is in a residency that while one of "less horrible" ones but, he still works 60+ hours a week. I too have a very career oriented life in which I travel very frequently for my work as I work in automation engineering. The issue now is that he is being a commitment-phobe (though I myself have not given reason to be). He grew up very poor and with unstable family, so this is probably a large part. He only lived with his family and then lived alone. The biggest cause though is that I think he just isn't valuing the relationship.

    I get texts and 5 minute calls, but we only see each other once a week for something on Netflix and I bring him dinner from the restaurant of his choice. We live in the same city less than 10 minutes away from each other. I make it clear to him that I am with him since I love him and am willing to stick out things with him if he is willing to at least try to make it work on his end. That is where I was thinking having us move in would help as what we are dong now living two separate lives can only work for so long when you live in the same city. We haven't spent any nights together other than when he is sick throughout the whole relationship for what were good reasons up until the last year. I feel like I have proven myself to be loyal, stable, and financially solid and have no interest in a status thing with him since that is shallow. I even understand being busy since I probably am too busy for most people anyway. He seems like residency and running now are the only two things he cares about and I am a chore. I want him to be healthy, hell I exercise 2 hours a day since I am getting into shape myself. He seems depressed as he has lost a ton of weight though he would never see anyone for it or take medication. He is obsessed with running. He is always fixated on making his run times faster as he talks about it all the time when he isn't talking about work. I feel like when he isn't thinking of work, he thinks of running and not us. I think if he spent half the effort of his running thing into our relationship, I would be happy and won't be on his case. If I am easing up on him, then we can both relax and enjoy each other much more as I will feel more secure and not a "chore".

    I want to tell him that we need to start making steps to balance out the relationship and this time instead of arguing as we have been, lay it out for him in steps (doctors and engineers can agree on that). I want to tell him that everywhere, including something by the AMA itself by a doctor for residents all say to not scrimp on your loved ones when you can since when they are happy it helps you to be happy. I want to tell him that we need to start trying to spend one night together on the weekends so he can see I am not that bad to live with as I am very clean, tidy, and mindful of personal space. On his call nights, I will let him be and just stay at home. I just worry that he views it as I am invading his space. When I think after 6 years and someone like me, he shouldn't even be viewing it that way. I get that he is busy and tired as I live my profession equivalent. Is it unfair that he at least give me an idea of what to expect even within months instead of "someday"? I want things to work out, but I have to think: 1) What do I do on my lease? I am ready to move in, but he is now resisting. Why now? I can make any arrangements and put down any money the needs to be put down. I am willing to do what it takes to make it easy on him as long as he is willing to move forward. 2) Is he even really wanting this? He isn't a person who just says they love you all the time as he is private, but he is loyal. He says he still loves me and gets annoyed saying I am making him feel pressured. Honestly though, I think he has had it very easy as I don't demand much considering our time together and living close. I have hobbies and even take courses to help me with more engineering specialties. We need to grow because we have less and less time together which is making me have sleepless nights since I would be sad if he left my life since he is the love of my life and the best friend I have ever (and will) have. I would be content just knowing he is home honestly and if we talk, that's great and if not, that's ok since at least sharing a nice space is better than nothing. I need your help to see how to handle this successfully. I don't want to pressure him, but this relationship cannot be in limbo.

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    Welcome to the group. I'm glad you found us. This is a great group of people, and there are some here who have been in similar situations to yours.
    Luanne
    wife, mother, nurse practitioner

    "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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    • #3
      I don't know the right answer for you because every relationship is different. I've been married forever, so this isn't something I've navigated. We just knew, and we were babies!

      I'm very direct with my hubs though. If I want or need something, I tell him.


      Heidi
      Heidi, PA-S1 - wife to an orthopaedic surgeon, mom to Ryan, 17, and Alexia, 11.


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      • #4
        Welcome to the group! I don't know how much advice I have, because hubby and I are both 30 and have been married for 7 years. We didn't live together before we were married for a variety of meetings, but generally I feel like moving in without getting married is a halfway commitment - I acknowledge that this is a personal opinion and not for everybody. For us, we were either ready to get married and move in together, or we weren't. But we were also 23 when we got engaged and married, and 18 when we started dating.

        Anyway, I think it's time to have a serious talk. Find some time where he's not on call or post-call, when he has a full day off and isn't stressed out, and spend some quality time together. Tell him calmly all of the things that you're feeling and where you would like to see the relationship going. Tell him the kinds of things that he might do would help you feel like he was on the same page. For me, at this age, it's a huge red flag if he isn't ready to commit after 6 years, and you need to find out if there's a reason behind it that you can get through together, or if you need to move on.

        As the others said though, everyone is different, and it's a very personal thing, but maybe another opinion might help. Glad you found us!
        Allison - professor; wife to a urology attending; mom to baby girl E (11/13), baby boy C (2/16), and a spoiled cat; knitter and hoarder of yarn; photographer

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        • #5
          Originally posted by alotofyarn View Post
          Anyway, I think it's time to have a serious talk. Find some time where he's not on call or post-call, when he has a full day off and isn't stressed out, and spend some quality time together. Tell him calmly all of the things that you're feeling and where you would like to see the relationship going. Tell him the kinds of things that he might do would help you feel like he was on the same page. For me, at this age, it's a huge red flag if he isn't ready to commit after 6 years, and you need to find out if there's a reason behind it that you can get through together, or if you need to move on.

          Yeah, I agree. He often has weekends off and I still only get 3 hours a week and finding a time when he isn't stressed is going to be a needle in a haystack, sadly. I wish I can think of a way to bring up the serious talk. I know he will be on defensive going "give me a break" and telling em to stop trying to cause an argument if I go into it wrong.I agree on the 6 year thing being a red flag. It feels like it wasn't going to get this bad until the past year. It's like the person I see now isn't the same one. He even looks different.

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          • #6
            Glad you are here! These relationships are just hard!! Hang in there
            Brandi
            Wife to PGY3 Rads also proud mother of three spoiled dogs!! Some days it is hectic, but I wouldn't trade this for anything.




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            • #7
              Welcome. You've come to the right place.
              Wife and #1 Fan of Attending Adult & Geriatric Psychiatrist.

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              • #8
                Welcome!


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                Veronica
                Mother of two ballerinas and one wild boy

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                • #9
                  Welcome to the group. We get the weird shit, I promise.

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                  • #10
                    Welcome! I'm sorry for all the stress you guys are going through right now. Does he have any vacation coming up? Once he's away from work for a few days, does he get to a place where he can discuss things with you?

                    Do you think his hesitation has to do with not wanting to move in together prior to marriage? If so, are you okay with that? If it's not, and he fears commitment, it might be a good time to see a therapist together to work through his concerns with a third party. It's possible that he is depressed and unable to make any decisions right now, and a professional could guide him to the help he needs. His obsession with running makes me concerned for his mental health.
                    Laurie
                    My team: DH (anesthesiologist), DS (9), DD (8)

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                    • #11
                      Tip-toe-ing in....my rose colored glasses have completely grayed over and are now a deep smokey black.

                      From what I read/heard from your post, he's not that into you. He has his own shit he needs to work through and you can't fix it for him. Refusing to consider depression, viewing you as a chore, and his reluctance to move forward with your relationship are all red flags. They would make (the older, wiser, jaded) me pause and reassess if it's really worth it.


                      *******disclaimer: I'm very likely projecting. But I felt like I should say something. Of course, this group is here for you no matter what you decide. iMSN is an amazing support group!! You will be understood here!
                      Mom of 3, Veterinarian

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                      • #12
                        Welcome! His underlying issues are not related to his medical career. There are plenty of MDs that have gone through the training process and still prioritized their relationships as much as humanly possible. You sound like a very intelligent and loving person. Do you really want to make somebody marry you? He should be tripping over himself to ask you. I would give him some space and stop being available to him without a bigger commitment. You deserve better than what he is offering at this point in time.

                        Good luck!!!
                        -Ladybug

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                        • #13
                          Welcome! Since you're asking for advice...60 work hours a week leaves time for you. It's a matter of priority. Have you considered seeing other people? My husband was a commitment phobe. We dated for seven years prior to marriage, BUT there was always forward momentum. We did get to a point when he was in med school that I had enough. If he wasn't going to eventually want marriage and a family, I needed to move on. I guess some would consider telling him that an ultimatum, but it wasn't. I needed to know that we were headed toward what I wanted. It did wake him up a little.
                          -Deb
                          Wife to EP, just trying to keep up with my FOUR busy kids!

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                          • #14
                            Welcome! Glad you found us. I agree with the some of the others...I think this is less to do with his career and more to do with is own personal issues/lack of desire to have a relationship. I don't mean for that to sound harsh, but there's no reason he can't truly engage with you during the time he does have. He's not doing his due diligence to participate in this relationship. If he has "most weekends off" and you only get enough time for a 2.5 hour Netflix movie...that is a red flag. And after six years this shouldn't be a complaint you're having. Another thing that stuck out to me is saying that if he doesn't have time for you, that would be okay as long as you were in the same place. Trust me, that is also not enough if you know your partner isn't truly trying to give you time. I used to say the exact same thing to my husband before he started med school (we've been together for 8.5 years - last two years of college, four years in between with both of us working, and now we're in third year of medical school and we got married in 2012 so we'll be celebrating our third year of marriage in June)..."oh as long as you're studying at home it will be nice to just have you there"...it's not enough. Maybe that's just me and I'm needier but the physical proximity can't always make up for the lack of personal connection. I've actually found that when my husband is totally checked out and studying at home, I'd rather him just be off at the library or campus. At least then I have my own space and can do what I want. Having him there but not *really* there and not present at all and not available to talk isn't often comforting...it's actually hurtful and disappointing sometimes. That's how I feel. My consolation is knowing that when he can give me time, he always does because it's his first priority. When he's off in another world and can barely make eye contact while I'm asking him what he wants for dinner it's because he has a ton of shit to do and that's not always necessarily his choice.

                            It's a balancing act but a medical relationship or marriage means flexibility and understanding and work from BOTH parties. And this is coming form someone who has a lot of trouble doing the whole "understanding and flexibility" thing sometimes...I'm trying to work on it.

                            Anyway, I hope that's not too harsh. Your post pained me...you sound alone in your own relationship and that's just not the way it should be after six years together. I hope you find a solution.
                            Last edited by WolfpackWife; 03-13-2015, 08:03 AM.
                            Wife, support system, and partner-in-crime to PGY-3 (IM) and spoiler of our 11 y/o yellow lab

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                            • #15
                              Has his attitude towards your relationship significantly changed recently, and if so, have those changes coincided with what you think may be depression? If so, I would consider having a serious talk encouraging to attend to his mental health, and make it clear that it's something he needs to do not just for himself but for the future of the relationship. If he can't recognize the impact his attitudes and actions are having on you... then he's not capable of meaningful commitment.

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