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    A blog post I read today that lays out in simple language how easy it is to fall through the cracks in our broken insurance system. Nothing I didn't already know, but the "absolutely can't afford COBRA" angle is one I hadn't really thought through. And how many states have a last-resort plan like Texas? My guess is "not most"...

    http://www.reallivepreacher.com/node/1441:

    Health Insurance in the U.S. - A Broken System
    November 30, 2007 - 9:45am

    Maybe you noticed I was gone for a few days. I had some pretty important stuff going on, and I just didn’t have any energy to write. I’m going to tell you what happened to us. I could have written this without so much detail, but I think the details might be important for someone who is in the same situation.

    Four days ago Jeanene and I were looking at the real possibility of our entire family being medically uninsured. No insurance of any kind for us or our children.

    Jeanene quit her job, as I’ve mentioned. After 20 years of chaplaincy, 20 years of being on-call for emergencies, she was through. I could see it in her eyes. Some essential part of Jeanene was gone. Used up. And our children, particularly our middle daughter, really need a parent at home right now.

    She had to stop. An opportunity for me to do some blogging work with The Christian Century and The High Calling gave us a chance to let her retire from being a chaplain. We're taking a significant pay cut, so it's risky. And there is no guarantee the blog networks I work with will continue. This was an important decision for us and we agonized over it. But sometimes in life you take a leap of faith. The faith we have is not a faith that God will rescue us physically and make sure that everything is okay. The Creator of the Universe has obviously made peace with the idea of mostly letting things unfold here according to our choices and the natural movement of the planet.

    The faith we have comes with believing that it was the right thing for her to leave. The right thing for her health and our family. We felt peace about it. So we held hands and jumped.

    ---

    About 6 years ago, when Jeanene was laid off for a period of two years, we called Blue Cross Blue Shield and had health insurance for our entire family in a matter of days. We thought we’d be able to do that again.

    We were wrong.

    Our middle daughter has had some emotional traumas in the last couple of years. She’s told me that I could write about our journey through all of that, but it hasn’t felt right yet so I haven’t. With a lot of help and with two serious medications, she’s doing well. She’s been doing very well since the Spring.

    Unfortunately, those two drugs and something she went through in January make her untouchable. There isn’t an insurance company in America that will take her. Even if we release the insurance company from all mental health benefit obligations. Even if, like Blue Cross Blue Shield, they don’t cover any mental healthy benefits anyway. Even so, no one will take her. She’s tainted because of something that happened to her. It’s strictly an emotional thing. She has no physical problems.

    As it turns out, no one will take me either. Why? Because I’ve been taking Wellbutrin for 2 years. It works beautifully. It’s given me back my life. If you read my pieces on depression you know how much I HATED to admit that I needed help with a drug. But I obviously did.

    But that’s it for me. I was turned down by Blue Cross Blue Shield even though they don’t pay for any mental heath issues anyway. I was even turned down by the insurance provider for Texas Baptist ministers who serve small churches without benefits. I thought they would listen and give us a chance. Nope.

    I’m a bad risk now. That’s the thing. Good heart. No cancer. No high blood pressure. Low cholesterol. I’ve never even had surgery. I don’t smoke. I’ve only missed two Sundays in 17 years as a pastor for illness. I’m a healthy guy, and I’m used to being treated like a healthy guy.

    But I take Wellbutrin, so there must be something wrong with me, right?

    Actually, it’s not quite as personal as someone looking you in the eye and saying, “Your a bad risk.” The health insurance industry is too big for that. They have computer-generated statistics that tell them people who take drugs for mental health reasons are bad risks - period. I am a clear exception to that rule, but that’s the rule.

    Congress passed a law called COBRA in 1986 that requires employers to allow you to keep your insurance if you leave their company. They don't have to help you pay for it anymore, but they have to carry you - at your own expense - for at least 18 months. We went online and discovered that it was going to cost us $1600 a month to keep our insurance. And of course, that's only for 18 months. 18 Months from now we would be in the same position.

    We can’t afford that, so it’s really no option for us. Please! That’s more than our house payment. Technically the hospital has fulfilled the obligation of the law, but I don’t know too many families who can afford $1600 a month for health insurance.

    Texas has a state-subsidized health insurance pool for people who can’t get health insurance. Shelby and I could go into the state pool, leaving Jeanene and the other two girls to get their insurance in a more traditional way. But now COBRA really comes back to bite you. The State insurance pool won’t take you if you have any other options. Even if your only option isn’t really an option because you don’t have $1600 a month.

    We were falling into a crack in the system. We can’t afford what the insurance company grudgingly offers ex-employees at an insane price. And we don’t quality for the State insurance pool because they did offer us something.

    By Tuesday we had admitted defeat.

    ---

    I’m going to tell you right now that this story has a happy ending. But it could have gone the other way. Very easily could have gone the other way.

    We found a man in town who is a kind of independent health insurance broker. He knows the system, and he can figure out ways for you to get insurance. It’s not always great insurance, but he can find something. He’s really good at what he does. I wouldn’t assume that many people can find someone like him.

    What if we hadn’t found out about him? Or what if we lived in some other city and couldn't find someone like this? I keep thinking about that. What if?

    But we did find him. He came to our house on Wednesday and got right to work. He pulled Shelby out of our family, as far as insurance is concerned. Jeanene’s company has to cover her for 18 months because of the COBRA law. If it is just her, the cost of COBRA drops to $300 a month. In 18 months that benefit will run out and she can go into the Texas pool for the uninsured. Even this specialist admits that no one will ever cover Shelby for anything as long as she is on the medication that is making her well and keeping her from harming herself. Ironic, huh?

    He knew of an insurance company - a good one - that will take someone like me, someone who takes Wellbutrin or some other drug for depression. They won’t cover me for mental health benefits - that’s over for me - but they will at least cover me for regular medical coverage. And it’s affordable.

    You put the whole thing together and it comes out to about $900 a month. That figure includes my medication, which I will have to pay for myself from now on. That’s double what we were paying through Jeanene’s work, but we can swing that. It’s going to be hard but we can do it. So the story has a happy ending. Or at least a tolerable one.

    So why am I telling you all of this? Because this is what people are going through in our country. Jeanene and I work hard. We’ve never been unemployed. In fact, for the last decade, we’ve had three jobs between us. We don’t smoke and we don’t take risks. We’ve never had a single major medical incident. You’d think a company would want to insure us.

    No. And we came just that close to being uninsured.

    For many people this is never an issue because they work for companies with insurance plans. If our church were large enough to have a plan, we could have moved from Jeanene’s plan to my church’s plan. With group insurance they have to take you if you currently have coverage.

    That’s great for families with that option. But what about families that only have one person working for a company with insurance? If that person loses their job or can no longer work for any reason, you have to get individual coverage. And with individual coverage, they can turn you down for any reason they want.

    You want to know something else? If you apply for insurance and get turned down two or three times, that goes on your record. Every time you get denied, other companies become even more unwilling to consider you. With two or three rejections in your history (for any reason), you can become uninsurable pretty quickly.

    What I’m saying to you is, hard-working people who are physically healthy sometimes can’t get health insurance. It almost happened to us. If we hadn’t found this man and our insurance had lapsed for more than 60 days, then we would really have been in trouble. Because being uninsured is yet another big mark against you in the system.

    People - it’s time we admit that the system isn’t working. We are going to have to have some kind of a national health care program. It won’t be perfect, but it will be better than what we have now. We need it, and we need it quickly.
    Sandy
    Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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    Re: Health Insurance...

    Sandy,

    DH has a really terrible story from this past week.

    The patient had a rare form of a growth in his abdomen when he was 27. It was able to be completely resected but because it is so rare, he was told that he had to come back for follow-up every 3 months because it could recur and would need more surgery and possible chemotherapy, etc.

    The man works in construction and didn't have health insurance...after his dx, no insurer would touch him, of course. He has continued to work full-time, is married and has 2 children. He is not covered by his wife's insurance plan for obvious reasons.

    He was recently admitted because the tumor came back and is now the size of a term infant....a variety of horrible and outrageous complications have set in. He is 35 years old and was lost to follow-up because of an inability to pay.

    His inability to pay will probably kill him. Had this tumor been caught early enough it could have been resected again. There are no metastasis or things like that. It is simply wrapped around every vital organ and all of his intestines and will be nearly impossible to remove. THAT is what will kill him.

    No one can tell me that people in this country with no health insurance don't get lost in the system or receive poorer quality of care....For all of the flaws in the european systems....no one ever would be denied care for cancer or follow-up visits. They wouldn't lose their health insurance in the middle of a bone marrow transplant or be denied services based on a pre-existing condition.

    The guy writing this blog said it had a happy ending. It doesn't though. If his daughter is really mentally ill and has another episode, her treatment will bankrupt his family.

    Kris
    ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
    ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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    • #3
      Re: Health Insurance...

      Originally posted by PrincessFiona
      DH has a really terrible story from this past week.
      That is absolutely heartbreaking.

      Originally posted by PrincessFiona
      He is not covered by his wife's insurance plan for obvious reasons.
      Actually, it's not obvious, to me. I realize employer health coverage varies, but are there plans that won't let you cover your spouse? And I thought "pre-existing condition" exclusions usually had time limits (a year or two?) - are there ones that are in effect in perpetuity? That's even worse than I thought, if so.

      Originally posted by PrincessFiona
      The guy writing this blog said it had a happy ending. It doesn't though. If his daughter is really mentally ill and has another episode, her treatment will bankrupt his family.
      Well, he did ammend that to "tolerable"...and actually, I'm not sure about his daughter's coverage. For the next 18 months, she's covered under her mom's plan using COBRA, and then she goes to the Texas plan...and he doesn't say whether that covers mental illness treatment or not (does anybody know if it does?).
      Sandy
      Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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      • #4
        Re: Health Insurance...

        Kris' story is terrible. My Dh came home for lunch today with a similar story. He had a patient who came in for an exam in order to be approved for Social Security disability. She is diabetic and blind in one eye. She can see out of her other eye with correction, but the best Dh could get her to is 20/80. She recently lost her health insurance and now can't afford to treatment for her diabetes, which is causing her blindness. She is in the process of applying for OMAP (medicaid), but she does not know whether she is eligible or will be approved. Her previous ophthalmologist dropped her because she no longer has health insurance and she can't pay for ophtho. care.

        She will go completely blind (among other problems) without treatment for her diabetes and her diabetes retinopathy (sp?). What kind of society are we to require people to choose between assuming major medical debt or going without healthcare, when the only thing they do "wrong" is get sick? It seems so backwards for such an industrialzed and prosperous country.
        Wife of Ophthalmologist and Mom to my daughter and two boys.

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        • #5
          Re: Health Insurance...

          I am one of those individuals that does not qualify for individual health coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Because DH is a temp contract physician, we currently do not qualify for group health coverage through his employer. So I applied for individual coverage, and the policy was denied. My understanding is that I was too honest on my individual health insurance application and because I disclosed too much, I was denied coverage. When you apply for individual health insurance, the insurance company can look up previous insurance claims and medical history and confirm any diagnosis (even if it is not life threatening or does not require medical attention) to deny coverage. I have not worked since Sept 2006, and at the time I left work, we could not afford the $340/ month to continue my cobra coverage. So I have been without health insurance for over a year. My only option to obtain health insurance is to hope DH gets a full time position so we will qualify for group health insurance.

          My husband's parents also are without health insurance (they are both over age 65), and they pay for all clinic visits and prescriptions out of pocket. For outpatient procedures and surgery, they go overseas and end up paying less for the plane ticket, hotel and the procedure and all lab tests and follow up visits than they would for just the procedure itself here in the states.

          So even though DH is a board-certified internist, and an actively practicing hospitalist, our family is still one of those that ends up falling through the cracks...

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          • #6
            Re: Health Insurance...

            My mother falls through the cracks as well....sort of. She is an NP working full-time at a busy group practice that does offer insurance benefits, BUT...because of her age when she started there (62) and having had a breast biopsy that was revealed to be benign ~5 years ago and the fact that she has been treated for rheumatoid arthritis, any breast condition (including breast cancer...even though again..it was a benign lump that was found) and conditions related to her RA are completely not covered. She also has allergies/asthma which is not covered as well.

            In the past year, changes in the companies insurance plans have forced her to switch PCP already and now the company is switching plans again to save cost and another PCP switch is likely necessary. She has to pay for all of her medications for asthma/allergies/RA herself so she saves no money and she pays a monthly premium as well as a $1500 upfront payment before anything is covered. OH...she also has foot problems related to her RA and surgery, medications etc for that are not covered as well.

            How exactly does her health insurance help her? We all figure that if she ends up with a heart attack or in a car accident it will be good for something? :huh:

            What a shame that someone who worked her whole life as a nurse and raised two children .... and man did my mom work hard....has bee reward by...this.

            Kris
            ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
            ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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            • #7
              Re: Health Insurance...

              My mother just applied for Medicare as she turns 65 in January. She completed one application for BC/BS and was denied because they told her she lied on her application. Why? because she forgot to include her osteopenia monthly medication. an honest mistake but one that has her branded a liar and someone trying to get over on the system. She did tell that that she took Ambien.

              So, she went to Company B. She completely filled out this form, and including that she take her monthly bone med and that she occasionally takes an Ambien. Well...now she's got pre-existing conditions. (and one was a mental health DX- for AMBIEN!!) and her cost was something like $950 bucks a month. For a woman who is completely healthy and her only problem is osteopenia for which she takes the very medications to keep her bones strong! It's not like she's not taking her meds and going rock climbing.

              Finally, she spoke to someone w/ a brain at BC/BS and they agreed that she shouldn't have been denied in the first place.

              We will have insurance coverage from the military forever. I am extremely thankful for that.

              Kris- your mom should be covered under Tricare as the ex-spouse of a retired officer. Has she checked into that option?

              Sucks.

              Jenn

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              • #8
                Re: Health Insurance...

                Jenn,

                I will tell her to check into the tricare thing. I'm not sure about it.

                I do know that she gets VA access because of her service in Vietnam. She came here and did the entire workup and then found out that she basically has to pay for services rendered right now because her income exceeds their minimum.

                The great thing about the VA here is that basically if she needs services that they can't offer (and they are a small VA) they will ship her to our regular hospital instead of another VA...

                It doesn't pay to work, I guess.

                Kris
                ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
                ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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                • #9
                  Re: Health Insurance...

                  As a foreigner I thought the insurance system was screwed up before I was even aware of the number of people that are unable to get coverage, or that suddenly find themselves without it, for some reason. Now, after reading these stories and fresh from watching Sicko last night, I am completely stunned. I just do not understand how this has been going on for so long :huh:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Health Insurance...

                    We also slipped through the cracks during dh's last year of med school. We were only able to afford catastrophic health coverage for the kids. When ds2 had pneumonia (around 6-8 mos, can't remember) we had to book a hotel next to the hospital on priceline because it was cheaper to do that for two nights than to go to the ED. We stayed up for two nights straight fogging up the hotel room so he could breathe and finally got a courtesy visit from a doctor friend to write an Rx for abx. I had no insurance. We were denied state coverage because I (too honestly) mentioned the match and so was told they couldn't classify us as residents since we might be moving!

                    I only had access to the school health clinics and got my first health insurance with my first job. I don't think I was EVER covered as a kid since my folks ran their own business and it wasn't considered a big deal to them? :huh: So my experience has been living without health insurance more than with.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Health Insurance...

                      This used to be a big problem with pregnant women in Texas. Then, the state legislature passed a law that no insurance company offering coverage in TX could consider pregnancy a 'pre-existing condition'. Wallah. Problem solved.

                      I've switched insurance a number of times during my married life and haven't had a problem with getting coverage while pregnant because of the law barring pregnancy from being considered a pre-existing condition.

                      From what I'm reading here the real problem is the ability of insurance agencies to flatly deny coverage or offer it at ridiculous rates because of 'pre-existing conditions' clauses.

                      Luckily, my son with his two serious neuro diagnoses and his three neurosurgeries has never had a problem getting coverage either - mostly from private insurers. Right now we have Blue Cross/Blue Shield - again, no problems getting coverage although I was pregnant when we applied and my son obviously has his medical past. In fact, nobody asked us anything about our medical conditions/histories. Actually, the only time I've ever had to disclose my medical history and any diagnosis was when applying for life insurance. I've never had this come up even though I've had coverage with United Healthcare, Aetna, AND Blue Cross/Blue Shield (twice with that one in two different states years apart in coverage) over the last 12+ years. And, it would appear I definitely share some similarities in my medical history with some of these people who have been denied coverage.

                      I wonder why the difference? Why have I managed not to have any difficulty getting coverage - often during the most difficult times in our lives medically (for example, we switched coverage TWICE during the years of my son's neurosurgeries with no problems)?

                      And, I will add that the absolute most difficult time I've ever had with any insurance was when we've been on the government coverage provided for military members (Tricare). Oh, boy. It's that bad. I am SO grateful that the biggest medical issues we've faced were when we DID NOT have Tricare.
                      Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
                      With fingernails that shine like justice
                      And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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                      • #12
                        Re: Health Insurance...

                        TR -

                        Was this your family getting *individual* insurance, or group employer/school/whatever-provided? I've never had to give any medical information to get health insurance provided by a school or employer, but for individual insurance, you most definitely DO.
                        Sandy
                        Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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                        • #13
                          Re: Health Insurance...

                          We had individual coverage during college (undergrad) when I had a baby and then we had COBRA coverage (we paid for all premuims out-of-pocket) for quite a while during medical school.
                          Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
                          With fingernails that shine like justice
                          And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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                          • #14
                            Re: Health Insurance...

                            I forgot - the ONE time I've had to provide a medical history for medical insurance coverage was when I applied for insurance through the CHIPS program in Texas (government program). I had to disclose all of my son's information. That was also when dh was in medical school.
                            Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
                            With fingernails that shine like justice
                            And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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                            • #15
                              Re: Health Insurance...

                              Originally posted by Tabula Rasa
                              This used to be a big problem with pregnant women in Texas. Then, the state legislature passed a law that no insurance company offering coverage in TX could consider pregnancy a 'pre-existing condition'. Wallah. Problem solved.
                              Problem not solved since 80% of the uninsured are employed full-time and do not have insurance benefits. Those people have trouble qualifying for state aid in TX.

                              Actually, TX is one of the states with the highest number of uninsured in the US and also ranks among the highest healthcare costs in the country. MN has one of the lowest uninsured rates with a commensurate lowest healthcare costs to boot.
                              ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
                              ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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