Democratic Primaries

[Meenah]

I'll vote for anyone, absolutely anyone to get # 45 out of office.

[rufflesanddots]

But to be perfectly honest, if Sanders or Warren ended up as the Dem candidate, I think I would cast a vote for Trump. Four more years of the lunatic we know is preferable for me to giving AOC a direct line to the white house.

This is a really interesting choice to me. We've seen where Trump is going: he flirts with authoritarianism and has continually eroded public trust in our institutions and government. That I know exactly who Trump is is the reason I want him out. I'd never vote for him because he's a known quantity. A very left leaning Dem will be put in check by their own party and Republicans. There are very few checks on Trump right now because his party is under his thumb and he's used coercion and threats to maintain control over would-be dissenters.

What's wrong with AOC? She's extremely educated and committed to her district. Sure she's more left than you, but is she actually more dangerous than her fellow reps who refuse to challenge Trump?

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[PrincessFiona]

Who do you think won last night?


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[PrincessFiona]

What's wrong with AOC? She's extremely educated and committed to her district. Sure she's more left than you, but is she actually more dangerous than her fellow reps who refuse to challenge Trump?

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I do think AOC is dangerous. I wanted to like her.


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[rufflesanddots]

Why do you think she's dangerous?

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[spaz]

Basically, I have no one to vote for. I am fiscally conservative, which no one is. Trump scares me to death and has continued to do what I thought he would do. It was amazing to me when I taught about all of the authoritative governments prior to WWII, the scary similarities that I saw between their tactics and those of Trump. I believe in climate change and that we need to be good stewards of our planet. However, I am pro life...BOTH life that protects the unborn and life that protects minorities, immigrants, etc. Hence, I have no one to vote for... I cannot morally vote for anyone. For the first time in my life, I may not vote. I wish Romney would run. I admire him for having the guts to vote as he did, but he is now being blackballed. Makes me incredibly sad and feeling completely hopeless. There is no party for me. I no longer call myself a Republican. I am nothing.

[MrsK]

Bernie is doing well in the primaries. But I don’t think he’s likely to win over any swing voters or Republican voters if he gets the nomination. People will just abstain.
[MENTION=4241]spaz[/MENTION], In most elections, it’s a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Is there some tally of priorities? You say that Trump scares you. Do any of the other candidates scare you as much as he does?


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[spaz]

Bernie is doing well in the primaries. But I don’t think he’s likely to win over any swing voters or Republican voters if he gets the nomination. People will just abstain.
[MENTION=4241]spaz[/MENTION], In most elections, it’s a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Is there some tally of priorities? You say that Trump scares you. Do any of the other candidates scare you as much as he does?


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My problem is that I cannot vote for someone that would end the life of an unborn child. For me, after seeing my ultrasounds that is murder. So I feel completely stuck. The whole world feels evil right now. I just try to bless the people in my life and help those less fortunate. The big picture feels hopeless.

[rufflesanddots]

My problem is that I cannot vote for someone that would end the life of an unborn child. For me, after seeing my ultrasounds that is murder. So I feel completely stuck. The whole world feels evil right now. I just try to bless the people in my life and help those less fortunate. The big picture feels hopeless.

I think it's really, really important to consider that though a candidate may be "pro-choice", they themselves may have a personal belief that would prevent them from ever choosing to terminate a pregnancy. That's the entire point--choice.

Further, I cannot easily recall a "pro-life" candidate who put forth policies that made childcare affordable, healthcare affordable, and fought for a living wage so that families could afford all the costs associated with raising children (or access medical care so they could prevent unwanted pregnancy).

I'd also be very mindful of how you label abortion to diverse groups of people. You don't know who here has terminated or why, whether people here work with those who access abortion services, or whether their spouses have performed abortions as part of their practice. People have lives you couldn't imagine.

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[MrsK]

My problem is that I cannot vote for someone that would end the life of an unborn child. For me, after seeing my ultrasounds that is murder. So I feel completely stuck. The whole world feels evil right now. I just try to bless the people in my life and help those less fortunate. The big picture feels hopeless.

Do you consider yourself a one-issue voter then?

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[ladymoreta]

It looks like Sanders is on track to win. I think he is winning because all of the more moderate votes are split among the other candidates, so one of the others might have a good chance if they could get another one of them as VP and consolidate votes. Just not sure anyone would agree to that; they all still think they have a chance to pull away on their own.

[TulipsAndSunscreen]

I hate Trump for a zillion reasons but I really don’t like Sanders either.

Faced with two terrible choices, I’d choose Sanders but I’d be really unhappy about it.

I’m fiscally conservative, morally “anti-abortion” (would prefer less abortion, would never personally have one but also recognize that without services saying you’re “pro-life” is actually just “pro-birth” so understand very much why people would make that choice and therefore don’t support taking it away completely), pretty socially liberal, and can’t stand the racism, misogyny, and bullshit from the current administration.

I never voted Democratic in my life until Hillary. But I am 100% a “Never Trumper”. So I will hold my nose and vote for Sanders but I’m very, very angry that the Democrats had 4 years and they’ve given us:

1) an old cranky crackpot socialist
2) a straight up old man who’s biggest claim to fame is Obama’s VP
3) an old cranky lady with limited appeal
4) a mayor of a minor city who is literally my age and has no experience
5) a senator with limited national visibility from a very small (population) state
6) whatever hot mess we are calling Bloomberg today.

THIS CANNOT BE THE BEST WE HAVE???


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[rufflesanddots]

I mean, re: 5, Obama was a low visibility senator until his DNC speech.

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[TulipsAndSunscreen]

Sure but at least he was a Senator. Also, Obama seems like a once in a lifetime level of experience in someone that inexperienced (at national level politics).

I don’t know that this is the political moment for inexperience.


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[rufflesanddots]

Which of these is Warren? I was assuming 5, so I brought up the Obama parallel since he also was a semi-unknown senator before holding the office.






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