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  • #16
    They gave DS services immediately, but the autism label in his IEP meant they were wasting resources on a kid who didn't need some of them. They had him in OT, PT, speech and language therapies when he only needed the language.

    The school district we were in during the initial DX and therapy was really frustrating to deal with, but the next district in another state was fabulous. They did some testing when we arrived to gauge where his level of ability was and they were pissed at the amount of BS they found in his barely-intelligible IEP.

    The first district tried to tell us that DS was borderline mentally retarded according to the IQ testing they had done. Except the IQ testing they did was very language dependent and not appropriate for someone with delays or someone not fluent in English. Our developmental pediatrician made them give DS a non-language based test and he scored in the "high" range. Our doc was gobsmacked that the district was giving kids with language delays a language-based IQ test.

    Our final IEP meeting with the preschool got ugly. They were fighting with us tooth-and-nail that DS was "absolutely autistic" and that we just "needed to accept the obvious". So I asked the school "psychologist" what the DSMIV was -- what criteria did she use to diagnose our son. That's when she revealed that she wasn't actually a psychologist, only had an undergrad degree, and wasn't qualified to make a diagnosis. No shit. So I asked her why she kept arguing with someone (DH) who WAS qualified to diagnose DS and why they were wholly disregarding the diagnosis and paperwork we had given them from our specialist. They had nonanswer and we left shortly thereafter.

    Not all districts suck. Some do, some don't. But during the time when you feel vulnerable and afraid, go with the professionals who know their shit. You're less likely to find power tripping ding-dongs who make you feel like a shitty parent.

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    • #17
      In ny its early intervention until 3 then its through the school system. It's free but harder to get services here unless there is more than one delay present. The evaluators are good & from an independent company. O only has an expressive delay which didn't qualify him at first but after he turned two & also still had eating issues related to his expressive delay we got services- the minimum they offer. His evaluator also fought for him to get services. He was never labled as anything but a late talker. His speech just started taking off on his own around 2 & 1/4 but his speech therapist definitely helps & also helped me with ideas to encourage/help him.
      Wife to Hand Surgeon just out of training, mom to two lovely kittys and little boy, O, born in Sept 08.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by diggitydot View Post
        They gave DS services immediately, but the autism label in his IEP meant they were wasting resources on a kid who didn't need some of them. They had him in OT, PT, speech and language therapies when he only needed the language.

        The school district we were in during the initial DX and therapy was really frustrating to deal with, but the next district in another state was fabulous. They did some testing when we arrived to gauge where his level of ability was and they were pissed at the amount of BS they found in his barely-intelligible IEP.

        The first district tried to tell us that DS was borderline mentally retarded according to the IQ testing they had done. Except the IQ testing they did was very language dependent and not appropriate for someone with delays or someone not fluent in English. Our developmental pediatrician made them give DS a non-language based test and he scored in the "high" range. Our doc was gobsmacked that the district was giving kids with language delays a language-based IQ test.

        Our final IEP meeting with the preschool got ugly. They were fighting with us tooth-and-nail that DS was "absolutely autistic" and that we just "needed to accept the obvious". So I asked the school "psychologist" what the DSMIV was -- what criteria did she use to diagnose our son. That's when she revealed that she wasn't actually a psychologist, only had an undergrad degree, and wasn't qualified to make a diagnosis. No shit. So I asked her why she kept arguing with someone (DH) who WAS qualified to diagnose DS and why they were wholly disregarding the diagnosis and paperwork we had given them from our specialist. They had nonanswer and we left shortly thereafter.

        Not all districts suck. Some do, some don't. But during the time when you feel vulnerable and afraid, go with the professionals who know their shit. You're less likely to find power tripping ding-dongs who make you feel like a shitty parent.
        OMG. I went through something similar (but different) when Andrew was little. It was devastating. I still feel sick when I think about it. Your post makes me want to hug you tight. I am giving you virtual love.

        Kris


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        • #19
          Thank you, Kris. DS's early education experiences were pretty rough on all of us.

          Thankfully, we weren't in the first district much longer after that blow-out with the preschool. The elementary school was better. The next district (where our kids currently attend) has been fabulous. He's now down to just language therapy twice a week and has extremely supportive teachers who absolutely looove him. His classmates are exceedingly patient and accepting of how his language delay manifests itself and of his verbal wandering when he gets on a roll. Little dude is also ADHD (which is common with kids who have language delays because the areas controlling both are very close to each other in the brain), and is easily distracted -- making his verbal wanderings sometimes difficult to follow.

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          • #20
            DS has always been on the trailing side of the verbal curve. He always meets his milestones (though just barely) and his pediatricians have not mentioned referring him for intervention; however he definitely doesn't speak or understand as well as his peers. (And now that I have DD for comparison, OMG! My pediatrician says if she'd been the first born I'd definitely think DS was studip!) As long as my ped is comfortable saying he's on his own normal track, I'm comfortable waiting it out. I've seen great strides this year that he's been in preschool.

            I did ask a speech therapist friend at our last location if I should pursue therapy for DS, who was 2.5 at the time. She briefly evaluated him, gave me a sheet with some more detailed milestones to look for, and advised that if I was still concerned at 2 years 9 months he'd likely become eligible for services through the school district and that's the direction she'd advise going in to get him thoroughly evaluated. I didn't end up pursuing that option though.
            Alison

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            • #21
              Originally posted by diggitydot View Post
              Our final IEP meeting with the preschool got ugly. They were fighting with us tooth-and-nail that DS was "absolutely autistic" and that we just "needed to accept the obvious". So I asked the school "psychologist" what the DSMIV was -- what criteria did she use to diagnose our son. That's when she revealed that she wasn't actually a psychologist, only had an undergrad degree, and wasn't qualified to make a diagnosis. No shit.
              It pisses me off to read this. Did you file a complaint that she was practicing out of the scope of her degree? WTF!!
              Married to a peds surgeon attending

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              • #22
                Her angle was that her position in the district was as a "school psychologist", but that she wasn't a licensed one.

                I shit you not. And that is totally kosher in AZ public schools.

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                • #23
                  Wow- even in Texas they're not that stupid.

                  J.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by diggitydot View Post
                    Her angle was that her position in the district was as a "school psychologist", but that she wasn't a licensed one.

                    I shit you not. And that is totally kosher in AZ public schools.
                    OMG. So, by that theory, if the "school nurse" position is filled by an MA (or parent volunteer), do they also get a field promotion to being "nurses" without any training? (Don't answer that, I probably don't want to know). I'm so sorry you went through that. Ridiculous.
                    Wife to PGY4 & Mother of 3.

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                    • #25
                      The four-year-old was the kids speaking in complete sentences and saying his ABC's by 18 months. His early and complete talking was actually quite bizarre. The two-year-old is the complete opposite. But he was the one running at 10-months! DH actually became very concerned with his lack of speaking, so we started him in speech before he was two through our school district. He meets with a therapist once a week individually for free. He is on the very low end of speaking, but above average for comprehension. Even though they cannot find anything definitively wrong, I'd rather start early in case. I definitely fall in the camp of early intervention.

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                      • #26
                        Um, yeah -- school nurses are EXACTLY the same thing in AZ. The MA at the kids' school called me multiple times to tell me that one of the kids had a "fever" of 99.9. Uh, no dumbass. That isn't a fever. And it's 114F outside and they *just* came inside from recess, no shit there's an elevated body temp.

                        AZ is usually tied for dead last in per student spending. Big surprise. Substitute teachers don't even need a bachelor's degree.

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