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  • Please help me overthink my childcare options

    Oy. We're in good shape. We've toured two daycare centers that are close to our house, and we like them both. But it feels like there's still so much to sort out...

    The baby is due in June. My tentative, not approved by any bosses yet, plan is to stay home for 3 months (until mid-September), and then come back to work 3 days a week. I'll probably end up having to add a work day when the legislature comes back in January, but then back down to 3 days a week when they leave in May. So, 3-4 days a week for the foreseeable future. DH's fellowship is primarily research in the 2nd and 3rd years, although he'll have a few months on service each year, and some call nights. He thinks he'll be able to do a fair amount of the research from home.

    I'm thinking we can get by with 3 days/week of daycare. (We would prefer daycare, just general gut feeling... we like the fact that it's regulated and minimum standards have to be met.) If I have to work the 4th day of the week, DH can hopefully cover, or if not, my sister is in town and can probably be bribed. Or we have some extended family who might help out. Plus both sets of parents are eager to come visit frequently.

    So here's the two daycare centers. Like I said, we liked them both, and they didn't raise any red flags or anything, so I'm mostly only pointing out the differences.

    Daycare A is on DH's medical campus and run by a national chain. It's a new facility, really clean, and restricted to campus employees ("campus" includes adult hospital, children's hospital, and med and other health professional schools). We live by campus, so it's convenient to home, but obviously it's also really convenient to DH, who likes that he would be able to stop by during the day sometimes. (You may all be laughing at that, but I believe him that he might occasionally do it.) Because it's on campus, it has ridiculously long hours (6:15am-7:30pm) and is open on basically all holidays. We have friends who use it and are happy with it. They don't allow cloth diapers, which is something we were considering but not set on. They have what they call an "extensive" waitlist, and they won't give any indication of when we'd get a spot.

    Daycare B is a little further away, but still only 2.5 miles from home. It's Montessori model with a separate K-5 charter school attached. It's an older building and a little less sterile-feeling, but it felt fine. They do allow cloth diapers (and will actually allow you to use a service through them for a small weekly fee, which I think is really cool). They close for basically every holiday, including the whole week between Christmas and New Year's, and they close daily at 6pm. We should nearly always be able to get there by 6, but it's possible there would be times when that's a problem. They have a few months' waitlist but say we'd be fine waiting until June to apply.

    The big difference is that Daycare A (which DH likes better) won't do part-time. Obviously, we wouldn't have to bring the baby in every day, but we'd be paying for full-time regardless. DH thinks, the difference between 3 days at Daycare B and 5 days at Daycare A is only about $250 a month, which we can afford, and it might be useful sometimes to have all 5 days a week available. On the other hand, I can't help but think that $250 a month is a round-trip flight to visit family, and shouldn't we be saving that money if we can?

    I think we'll probably get on the waitlist for Daycare A (nonrefundable $100 fee) and reassess come June. But what do you all think? I guess part of me is worried that having full-time care will put pressure on me to go back to work full-time, which I don't want to do, even though DH insists he's supportive of my working part-time. Is this just dumb first-world problems? What else should I be thinking about? What would you do?
    Julia - legislative process lover and general government nerd, married to a PICU & Medical Ethics attending, raising a toddler son and expecting a baby daughter Oct '16.

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    I love Montessori so I would choose that but I'm totally biased - hell, I have implemented Montessori stuff with DD from birth and my nanny and I brainstorm sensory bins and Montessori themed stuff for DD in our spare time...yeah, we're weird. Add to that a savings and I would take it. Babies involve a lot of ongoing expenses that it would be nice to have that money for.

    Do you really need the one that doesn't take holidays? Don't you get holidays? I just don't see that being a big benefit unless it's for a dual medical couple.

    Do they both have the same provider to child ratio?
    What's their turnover? (national center may be higher or lower depending on the center)
    Married to a Urology Attending! (that is an understated exclamation point)
    Mama to C (Jan 2012), D (Nov 2013), and R (April 2016). Consulting and homeschooling are my day jobs.

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    • #3
      Having absolutely ZERO experience in this arena, I'd say it seems smart to get on the waitlist now for Daycare A just in case that's the option you decide going with. If it were me, I'd probably go for Daycare A, but this could be a moot point if an opening doesn't come up by the time you need it.

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      • #4
        I would go by A, simply based on location and hours. I was forced into finding a part time job when DH and I couldn't always make it to daycare by 6:30 to pick DD up. Something had to give. I would have killed for the option of a 7:30 close, even if I only would have used it occasionally.
        -Deb
        Wife to EP, just trying to keep up with my FOUR busy kids!

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        • #5
          Does A have the initials BH? If so, that is the childcare option we had at DH's residency location and we LOVED them. I would at least apply.
          Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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          • #6
            First, I'd get on both waitlists. You never know whether either will be available when you are ready to return to work and it will hold your place while you decide what to do. You wouldn't want to have dozens of people get on the waitlist for Day Care B and then decide that that's what you really, really, want. If they both become available, then you can always turn one down. I didn't get into our first choice day care for K1 until the day before I finished maternity leave. I had already enrolled him in my second choice and had to call them to say I changed my mind. For K2, I didn't get him into our first choice day care until he was 6mo and that's even when we had priority for having a sibling in the center.

            Personally, I love our hospital based day care. They are very strict about meeting licensing standards. It's wonderful that they are open on holidays and have long hours. When I went into labor with K2, we were able to drop K1 off at 6AM when the center opened. Just in case, we signed him up for aftercare that night so he could have stayed until 8pm if our friends were unable to pick him up sooner. We'd never keep him ther 14hrs daily otherwise but it's good to have the option in the event of an emergency.

            Our day care is flexible. Parents sign up for a minimum of 2 days, 3 days, or 5 days weekly. If the children are signed up for 2 or 3 days, additional days can be scheduled for a per diem cost. The cost is more if you have 2 day minimum than if you have a 5 day minimum. That is wonderful for me because I know that 2 days weekly is enough for us most weeks and we rarely need a 3rd day unless I'm going out of town, I have too many inflexible appointments in a week, or I'm just plain burned out. (Being home alone with toddlers while hubby is away all the time is exhausting!) The thing that is also great is that, although it's a waste of money, I don't HAVE to use my minimum. I can pay for 2 days and then send the children one day or no days if, for instance, it's a holiday or we have family in town. But the option is there if I need it.

            And I don't think that having the day care available will put pressure on you to go back to work FT. You will likely put pressure on yourself. Your boss may put pressure on you. But having it available will give you the OPTION of going back to work full time IF YOU WANT TO. Or, you will have the option to pursue other intersts IF YOU WANT TO. You will find that your interests may change after the baby comes and it's okay if you are interested in something other than being with the baby every minute that you are not at work. It is very liberating to have options.
            Wife and #1 Fan of Attending Adult & Geriatric Psychiatrist.

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            • #7
              I would get on the list for Option A. I love that our daycare has longer hours (6:30 am to 6:30 pm) and is open when I need them. I rarely use the extended hours, but it's nice to have them available. I worked 4 days a week for a while, but it was still nice to have the option to take DS in if something came up on Friday. I would say with Option A you are paying the extra for flexibility. It will create less stress trying to find a back-up if you need care after 6 pm or outside of your part time days. Bummer that they don't do cloth diapers though. I take clean ones in the morning and bring the dirty ones home at night in a wet bag, it's worked really well for us.
              Wife of Anesthesiology Resident

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              • #8
                I would put your name on both lists. There are days that I would kill to be able to send A to daycare, and it will only be worse when baby 2 comes.

                If your DH is going to have a flexible schedule, that's ok - flexible doesn't mean dependable in medicine
                Jen
                Wife of a PGY-4 orthopod, momma to 2 DDs, caretaker of a retired race-dog, Hawkeye!


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TulipsAndSunscreen View Post
                  I love Montessori so I would choose that but I'm totally biased - hell, I have implemented Montessori stuff with DD from birth and my nanny and I brainstorm sensory bins and Montessori themed stuff for DD in our spare time...yeah, we're weird. Add to that a savings and I would take it. Babies involve a lot of ongoing expenses that it would be nice to have that money for.

                  Do you really need the one that doesn't take holidays? Don't you get holidays? I just don't see that being a big benefit unless it's for a dual medical couple.

                  Do they both have the same provider to child ratio?
                  What's their turnover? (national center may be higher or lower depending on the center)
                  Yes, they both have 1:4 ratios. I don't know about the turnover - I'd assume it corresponds to the length of the waitlists, but the Montessori is about half the size at the infant-toddler level, so that might make a difference.

                  I do get holidays, except for President's Day. They also take several random staff training days that are kind of annoying, but none of that is a really big deal. The hours are a bigger deal - I basically have to leave right at 5 to guarantee that I'm there by 6, and that's fine most of the time, but there will definitely be 5-10 days a year where I won't be able to do that.

                  Do you think the Montessori model makes a big difference for infants? Realistically, we'll probably be moving in two years and looking for another place, even if it's just in a different part of town.

                  Originally posted by SuzySunshine View Post
                  Does A have the initials BH? If so, that is the childcare option we had at DH's residency location and we LOVED them. I would at least apply.
                  Yep, that's them.

                  You all are making me feel better about spending extra money for flexibility. DH is in charge of money and budgeting, but I was raised in such a penny-pinching house that it's really hard to adapt to his style, which is much more along the lines of, some things are just worth spending more money on.

                  And I really like that we have options if we run into waitlist problems.
                  Julia - legislative process lover and general government nerd, married to a PICU & Medical Ethics attending, raising a toddler son and expecting a baby daughter Oct '16.

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                  • #10
                    The other thing to think about with Montessori is that even if you won't be at that school, if you apply to another Montessori down the road they will give weight to your application if you've been in one before.
                    Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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                    • #11
                      I started drafting you an email during the holidays, but never got to send it. We should get together soon and I can give you the rundown on what I know. I know who will and will not do cloth diapers, teacher turnover, ratios, the various difference in Montessori for infants, and most of the hour span. My daycare is really close to your work but the hours are painfully limited (7:30-5:30... 7am-5:30 once they hit toddler). It really depends on your priorities. In this area, DEFINITELY get on all the waitlists you can, like NOW. I was told I had a FT spot at our center of choice a few weeks before I went back to work and then 1 week prior it was an "oops, we meant we only have Mondays and Thursdays for a few months" um, what?! Another one... I've been on the waitlist since I was 6 months pg with dd (who is now 2.5)... I don't really have the information all in one organized place and I'm not sure what criteria you are prioritizing.
                      Wife to PGY4 & Mother of 3.

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                      • #12
                        Hm I would actually strongly consider Daycare B. $3k a year is a lot. What was going on in the infant rooms when you toured? That would be a big deciding factor for me too.

                        I wouldn't worry about learning programs, etc. for an infant. At that age I really feel basic interaction is probably the most important. I read one review of the otherwise awesome daycare across the street from my workplace that was actually a good review-but the mom mentioned it seemed like her infant was always in the bouncer when she visited. I didn't even look at them.

                        Good luck!
                        Married to a newly minted Pediatric Rad, momma to a sweet girl and a bunch of (mostly) cute boy monsters.



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                        • #13
                          Also can your DH ever be counted on to do drop offs and pick ups? As someone who does them all solo, it can be a big load off you if he can commit to it based on the location.
                          Married to a newly minted Pediatric Rad, momma to a sweet girl and a bunch of (mostly) cute boy monsters.



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scrub-jay View Post
                            I started drafting you an email during the holidays, but never got to send it. We should get together soon and I can give you the rundown on what I know. I know who will and will not do cloth diapers, teacher turnover, ratios, the various difference in Montessori for infants, and most of the hour span. My daycare is really close to your work but the hours are painfully limited (7:30-5:30... 7am-5:30 once they hit toddler). It really depends on your priorities. In this area, DEFINITELY get on all the waitlists you can, like NOW. I was told I had a FT spot at our center of choice a few weeks before I went back to work and then 1 week prior it was an "oops, we meant we only have Mondays and Thursdays for a few months" um, what?! Another one... I've been on the waitlist since I was 6 months pg with dd (who is now 2.5)... I don't really have the information all in one organized place and I'm not sure what criteria you are prioritizing.
                            I've been trying not to bug you, since you're mid-match and about to have a baby and all. But I'll send you a PM.

                            I suspect you'll find us woefully less thorough than you.

                            You're right about the waitlist though. We'll be on it by the end of the week.

                            Originally posted by SoonerTexan View Post
                            Also can your DH ever be counted on to do drop offs and pick ups? As someone who does them all solo, it can be a big load off you if he can commit to it based on the location.
                            And yeah, this is why I want something near our house instead of my work. I do think he'll help if the place is on our end of town.

                            I thought the interaction at both places seemed pretty good. Babies were being held, or clustered around the teachers on the floor. I liked that.
                            Julia - legislative process lover and general government nerd, married to a PICU & Medical Ethics attending, raising a toddler son and expecting a baby daughter Oct '16.

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                            • #15
                              I'd go with option A for all the reasons mentioned above
                              Tara
                              Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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