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  • Help, I messed up my baby! (sleep)

    I don't even know where to start. A is 6 months on Friday. From 2 until about 4 1/2 months she was a great sleeper - she would go down without a fight at 7:30 on the dot, sleep for 7 hours or so, then fuss a little, at which point I would feed her, basically still asleep, and she would go back in the crib without ever truly waking up. At 4 1/2 months she had some signs of a typical sleep regression - fighting bedtime more, waking an hour or two after bedtime, waking more frequently, waking more fully, etc. Then at 5 months we moved. Daycare changed, we put her in her own room in a full sized crib for the first time, and we took away the swaddle. I wanted to just "rip off the bandaid" so to speak and get all the changes over with at once.

    She hasn't slept more than 2-3 hours at a stretch since. Now at bedtimes sometimes she goes right down, sometimes we have to go back in and give her the pacifier and hold her hands on about 10 separate occasions. She used to love being rocked to sleep, now she gets angry if we try so we just have to put her down and hope for the best.

    She has been waking around 10 pm, at which point we go in and give the pacifier back and hold her hands, and she usually falls right back to sleep. Then at around 12:30 or so she has a full waking and won't go back to sleep unless she eats. Same at 4. If I let her fuss she just escalates. She has also been pooping in the middle of the night again, which hasn't happened for months, so I have to change her which also gets her riled up. Night feedings are no longer peaceful, they involve a lot of flailing and scratching and grabbing. Then she wakes repeatedly on the hour from 4 on.

    I'm at my wits end. I keep thinking she'll just grow out of it but we do finally have a daytime routine again, and the nighttime routine is just not falling into place.

    A couple thoughts... First, when she was in our bedroom I probably did a lot of half-asleep pacifier replacement and patting and didn't even notice I was doing it. Now I'm responding slower so she has an opportunity to fully wake up.

    Second, her daycare has been spacing out her feedings a little bit more, effectively eliminating my early evening feeding because when I pick her up from daycare she's eaten too recently. I've asked them to try and feed more frequently but often it's because she takes a very long nap in the morning (because she slept like crap the night before) and they wait until she wakes to feed her. She might not be getting enough calories during the day and is trying to make up for it at night. My supply, as always, is teetering on the edge so it's hard to send more milk. I'm going to try that though... It will mean pumping at night to add to the next day. We haven't started solids yet but probably will next week after her check up, so that might help her start getting a few extra calories.

    What else can I do? I'm not ready, and I don't think she's ready, for any kind of CIO. There have just been too many changes lately for me to feel OK about that. Plus it's not so much a bedtime issue as it is a night waking issue.

    I'm so tired I can't think about this clearly. Help.
    Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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    Check out the book "Good Night, Sleep Tight" I highly recommend it, the sleep shuffle teaches the kiddo how to fall asleep on their own, which is huge when it comes to night waking. ((Hugs))
    Wife to PGY4 & Mother of 3.

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    • #3
      Teething?
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      • #4
        Teething, developmental milestones for sure.
        Also, with BF babies, it's not unusual for them to feed 1-2 at night for a while...

        We did a modified version of CIO with both kids, starting around 7 months of age. Predetermined amount of time on a timer, then going in and patting/shushing, exiting, resetting timer, etc.


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        • #5
          She's been drooling copiously and chewing on everything for over a month now. Nothing to show for it. So yeah, probably teething but what do I know, haha.

          I should also note that we tried to give her a taggies lovey because she needs her hands held to fall asleep and we thought it might help to have something to hold onto. But she drapes it over her face every. single. time. so we had to take it away. Draping the thing over her face works wonders to soothe herself though, she manages to get it on there and then immediately starts to calm down... Except that I can't leave her there with a damn polyester hedgehog blanket over her nose and mouth, lol.

          I'm anxious about trying something like the sleep lady shuffle... Am I crazy to think that this is happening because she has some kind of need that I'll be ignoring if I do that? Ugh. I'm so tired but I'm also so anxious about wanting her to feel like I'm there for her, especially since I spend so much time away from her.
          Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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          • #6
            Also, I have no problem with keeping a night feeding, but at this point I can't distinguish hunger from bad sleeping.
            Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MsSassyBaskets View Post
              Also, I have no problem with keeping a night feeding, but at this point I can't distinguish hunger from bad sleeping.
              I forgot to show empathy earlier, in my post workout stupor.
              I'm so sorry things are hard right now!


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              • #8
                Originally posted by MsSassyBaskets View Post
                I'm so tired but I'm also so anxious about wanting her to feel like I'm there for her, especially since I spend so much time away from her.
                This is the essence why I've found it easier to just met my kids' needs at night. Nurse if they want to nurse, rock if they want to rock. I never had a "good sleeper" and found it far less emotionally taxing once I gave up worrying how long a baby "should" be sleeping and trying to make that happen. We just couldn't. It took over two years for either of mine to sleep through the night, and I know in the thick of it there is no amount of coffee to make it easier; but in the grand scheme of things, it was a season, and I treasure those quiet midnight hours in the rocking chair more than anything. I know that approach is not for everyone, and if you have to sleep more to be the parent you want to be, that's most important. I just wanted to offer the perspective that you don't have to fix it if you don't want to.

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                • #9
                  I *want* to just meet her needs, nurse, rock, etc. I am totally of the mindset that babies need what they need and who am I to try and train it away. Unfortunately full time work and full time daycare do not allow us to go with the flow. The lack of sleep is not healthy for me or her. She's getting significantly less sleep than before, she's taking 3 hour naps every morning at daycare, and I'm getting maybe 4-5 broken hours of sleep and I'm probably so tired I'm not even a safe driver. The stress and lack of sleep also impacts my milk supply. And neither of us sleep well when we try to cosleep, although we manage to sleep in on weekend mornings when I bring her back to bed. I can't tell anymore what my mom gut is telling me.

                  Sorry for the novellas, guys. I'm just having a hard time. A nice long holiday weekend will probably help me catch up.
                  Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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                  • #10
                    I was right where you were a few months ago. So first off, hugs!! Baby sleep has been tough on me with both kids. Also, I guarantee you did not cause this. We didn't move and my DS isn't in daycare, and he still had what sounds like the EXACT same sleep issues as your DD at that age.
                    I totally understand your reasons for not wanting to sleep train, but if you do get to that point I'd definitely recommend the sleep lady shuffle. It wasn't magic and it didn't work overnight, but within a week or so we saw improvements in how long DS was sleeping at night. It took a couple more weeks for everything else to sort of fall in line, but DS has been sleeping GREAT for a while now and I completely credit the SLS for getting us there.
                    I guess I should also note that I added a 9/10pm dream feed when we started SLS because I wanted to be absolutely sure he wasn't hungry. So you can definitely do it without sacrificing your nursing relationship.
                    No matter what do you, this phase will pass and she will start sleeping better eventually. It just might take longer to get there depending on what you decide is right for you guys.

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                    • #11
                      I'm so sorry. I hear the desperation. I've been there, and it's really hard not to have a solution. The good news, I guess, is that every time my kids have pushed me to the absolute edge of sleep deprivation--we'd have a good night. And I'd get just enough sleep to make everything seem a little brighter. I hope you can arrange to sleep late over the weekend, and maybe then the next steps will seem more clear. It's a catch 22 that it's really hard and emotional to talk about baby sleep while sleep-deprived. DH and I have made that mistake one too many times. But if you can get a little caught up, you might feel more confident in coming up with a plan.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gem View Post
                        I'm so sorry. I hear the desperation. I've been there, and it's really hard not to have a solution. The good news, I guess, is that every time my kids have pushed me to the absolute edge of sleep deprivation--we'd have a good night. And I'd get just enough sleep to make everything seem a little brighter. I hope you can arrange to sleep late over the weekend, and maybe then the next steps will seem more clear. It's a catch 22 that it's really hard and emotional to talk about baby sleep while sleep-deprived. DH and I have made that mistake one too many times. But if you can get a little caught up, you might feel more confident in coming up with a plan.
                        You're right, and I'm probably being inconsistent because I'm so tired and desperate and that's not helping matters. It's probably a good thing that DH is on call on Saturday night, I can go to bed early and have the whole thing to myself.
                        Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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                        • #13
                          Check out the book "Good Night, Sleep Tight" I highly recommend it, the sleep shuffle teaches the kiddo how to fall asleep on their own, which is huge when it comes to night waking. ((Hugs))
                          You know, I was really resistant to this and in the end it was a good thing. BabyJ goes to bed like a dream now, though it took 3 months of real pain to get there. And I was pissed off and convinced it wasn't working the whole time. We didn't start til 10 or 11 months though. With this next kid, I think we will start around 6 or 7. But we are doing it. Since I was in the room with him, I was okay with the crying.

                          But...you might want to get past whatever milestones or teething you are dealing with first before giving it a try. You both have been through a lot of change lately and it probably isn't going to help to try something as stressful as dedicated sleep training right now. Maybe give it another month?

                          You could try some regular ibuprofen dosing for a night and see if it helps to rule out teething. We had stretches that lasted this long with Baby J, but not N.
                          Married to a newly minted Pediatric Rad, momma to a sweet girl and a bunch of (mostly) cute boy monsters.



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                          • #14
                            We also had good luck with a form of the Sleep Lady Shuffle. It is a gentle form of sleep training, and you can step in whenever you feel like they are showing signs of anxiety or escalation.

                            I would ask the day care to not let her nap more than 1.5-2 hours. It may be painful at first to not let her catch up with that morning nap, but I think it could be interfering with her sleep consolidation.

                            Here are some good sample 6 month old schedules: http://www.babysleepsite.com/schedul...baby-schedule/
                            Laurie
                            My team: DH (anesthesiologist), DS (9), DD (8)

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                            • #15
                              So it definitely sounds like the sleep lady shuffle is the best fit for us in terms of any kind of sleep training. My question is, how does this work when you already have a baby that goes to bed OK (more or less...) at bedtime but has frequent night wakings and can't fall back to sleep? (I'll get the book, I just want to make sure it's going to make sense for our situation) We put her in her crib awake, give her some time to wind down, and go back in to give her pacifier back or hold her hands sometimes. Often by the time we go back in she's already almost out, she just needs the pacifier back and a little head rub and then she's out. Some nights are worse, but she doesn't need us to stay the whole time. It's very rare that we're putting her down asleep. Do we need to take away the pacifier and hand-holding, etc. so she can do it without any sleep crutches? That seems like probably the key to getting her to self-soothe in the middle of the night...
                              Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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