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  • Pre-school dilemma

    Reading Cheri's thread about pre-k made me realize that this whole parenting gig and trying to find the best environment and education for your kid is a difficult road that starts way too early. I naively thought I don't have to worry about this until 1st grade.

    DD3 is in pre-school at the local JCC (where she's been in daycare since she was 1 and will hopefully stay through K). Overall we're pretty happy with the school, however, the teachers get shuffled around every year and it's a total gamble who will end up in what class. Her age group has two classes as there are too many kids to fit into one. Last year we lucked out with rock star teachers (one of whom still babysits for us). This year I'm really not impressed and it's only been a few days. One of the teachers from last year is now in pre-K but the other one is teaching the other pre-school class. I could potentially have DD transferred to her room.

    My issues with the teachers - they're older (late 50s at least) and very old-school. This translates to the kids just playing on their own for the most part. There's no lesson plan, no interesting art projects, no learning (of letters/numbers/concepts, etc.), not a lot of photos taken throughout the day. The teachers are more like glorified babysitters. In part they also really remind me of another older teacher that DD had in the pre-Toddler room (the one that kept insisting that DD needs to learn more English). The tuition is too high for plain babysitting. I spoke with another mom today and her son had these teachers last year and she also wasn't crazy about them for the same reasons. Last year there was only one class for that age group, so transferring wasn't an option.

    On the other hand, she's been in the same class with 10 out of 12 kids for the past 2 years. They're all really good friends. She's also now upstairs with all the big kids and I already made a big deal out of that (0-3 are on the first floor of the building and 3-5 on the second). The other room for 3s is downstairs (basically same room she had last year). She knows the kids in the other room fairly well.

    I'm just not sure if my personal dislike of the teachers or their methods is enough of a reason to make a stink. She's only 3, shouldn't she be just playing anyway? DH thinks we pay too much not to get any kind of "school" aspect.

    There's no school until Monday, so I have a few days to figure out what my "battle plan" is.

  • #2
    So the 10 of the 12 that she knows are in the class she isn't in?

    If they are billing it as a preschool she should be getting school, if she's there a full day at her age she should be getting at least a 1/2 day of school IMO. R is in a 3's class this year and the info his teacher sent said, "the curriculum in the 3 year old class is based on the knowledge that young children learn best through participation. Concepts are presented playfully through hands-on experiences and interaction with teachers and peers." Each week has a theme. So they are "just playing" but it directed play with an ultimate goal.

    If one 3's class has a learning aspect and one doesn't would those kids be behind in the 4's next year?
    Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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    • #3
      Do the teachers play with the kids? If not, what are they doing that whole time? Our preschool has a play-based curriculum which means they don't sit and do worksheets, but they do follow a structured day. They have circle time where they listen to stories and sing songs. This is also where they do literally five minutes of alphabet/phonics work. The rest of the time is spent in free play. But they do have an art project usually and sometimes the teacher will do a "science" experiment, like baking soda and vinegar.

      That sounds like a tough call. I think for 3's, they don't need much real "learning" (as far as it being structured the way we are used to), but the teachers should be working directly with them while they play to help facilitate learning through their play.

      I think I'd be inclined to make sure that school is fun for her this year, which might mean staying with her friends. But, I'd make sure she gets good teachers next year. And I'd probably work with her outside of school on letters and numbers. I bet she's still getting a lot out of the experience of being with peers even though the teachers might not be very good.
      Wife to a urologist; Mom to 2 wonderful kiddos

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      • #4
        The 10 out of 12 that she's been with are currently in her class. She knows the kids in the other class well but they're not as tight.

        The teachers seem to just sit there and supervise. The art projects consist of whatever they doodled during free play. Also because there aren't many photos or a lesson plan or anything she can bring home, it's hard to figure out what they do all day.

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        • #5
          Can you ask the teacher for a schedule of their day, learning themes and goals? I think there is a lot to learn at three, but in a fun, interactive way.
          -Ladybug

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          • #6
            If she is happy then let it be. She's three she can't get "behind". Trust me, you will have plenty of battles to fight in the future, this isn't one of them. My rules for preschool: is my child safe? Is my child happy? Does my child feel nurtured/loved? Those kids that go to "academic" preschools don't do any better than the ones that go to play schools or stay home with mom. You're doing great and your dd will be fine.
            Tara
            Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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            • #7
              Ditto Tara.

              However, for me personally, I am firmly and philosophically opposed to academics at 3, so I'm not looking for their play-based curriculum to actually be sneaky-learning-through-play. I don't need the teacher to defend her curriculum to me. (She has had to defend it to a lot of parents.) Rather, I see two benefits to preschool. One is getting them out of the house, trusting another adult, and playing with other kids more regularly than I can think to arrange playdates. And two is doing ALL the messy art projects I don't want at home! So if your preschool isn't doing lots of messy art, it would feel to me like you are losing half the benefit right there.
              Alison

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              • #8
                Don't get sucked into the school-crazy until you absolutely have to, that's my advice. If she likes it, is having fun and out of the house- all good things.

                Don't even get sucked into the drama in lower elementary grades. My theory is that my kid's likelihood of getting into an Ivy League school or whatever isn't likely going to be impacted on whether he did homework in kindergarten. (even though lots of people want to think they have that level of control over their children's destinies!)

                There's plenty of time to get sucked in to the vortex. Tell Michael to go volunteer for a day at the school and see how he feels about trying to teach 3 year olds after that! Attention span of fleas...

                J

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                • #9
                  http://sydneysteiner.com/2013/08/31/...es-and-colors/
                  Alison

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                  • #10
                    Love this! It's so true!
                    Tara
                    Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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                    • #11
                      I say let her be happy, but I also think expensive preschools should be doing more than babysitting groups of 3 year olds. The teacher is being lazy and we all know it. I'd at least ask for a schedule or the classroom. That's a real bummer.
                      Wife to PGY5. Mommy to baby girl born 11/2009. Cat mommy since 2002
                      "“If you don't know where you are going any road can take you there”"

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                      • #12
                        I'm not as worried that she's not learning enough, I just don't like her teachers. I cautiously asked how she likes her new class and teachers and she said she wants to go back to her old class.

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                        • #13
                          My belief is mostly what the others have responded. Three year olds should enjoy going to preschool. Preschool and kindergarten teachers should be warm-fuzzy, engaging people.
                          Needs

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                          • #14
                            If its only a few days into the school year, it's possible that the teachers are letting the kids get used to the room and the rules of the classroom and getting to know them. That's what my DD's class is doing this week. She is also 3.

                            I also am not sure about our teacher. I maneuvered DD into the 5 day class cause no one likes the three day teachers and the old teacher left. Now we have a brand new, just graduated in June teacher. She is probably just nervous and getting settled but she seems cold to me.
                            Cranky Wife to a Peds EM in private practice. Mom to 5 girls - 1 in Heaven and 4 running around in princess shoes.

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