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  • glad i found this board. Hi!

    Hi folks,

    I'm the husband of a PGY-4, OB/GYN resident. Only another 8 months and 24 days to go!

    I wish I had known about this group earlier in the process, because it's been a struggle. I look forward to the end of June 2009, but as as it gets closer I don't know if it's a light at the end of the tunnel or a train. When I met my wife she was working at Planned Parenthood and taking classes for her med-school prerequisites and I was working at a good job in a field that thrilled me and if you can believe it, was even more competitive to get into than medicine.

    Eleven years later, after medical school, a post-sophomore fellowship, and three and a half years of residency, including two moves for her career--one after the match and one after she switched residencies, (and being unable to move and take other jobs in my field in other places), at this point I am very frustrated in my own career and also having severe doubts about being able to stay married to a doctor. We get along generally nicely--civilly, certainly, but we are more roomates than partners, more friends than a couple. When she was in medical school she gave me a shirt from the women's health interest group that read "Real Men Marry Doctors" and I wore it for a long time with real pride.

    I know that when residency is done she won't have to work the same 75-85 hours a week that she does now, although the time requirements will still be large. The issue for me is more what's left of her after the job takes its cut. She is frequently grumpy and impatient, uninterested in what we do or how we spend her little leisure time. She doesn't seem to care or offer any volition or desire outside of medicine. Planning a vacation with her is excruciating--she won't let me plan or buy tickets, but she doesn't much care where we go or what we do. She seems to be turning into a Doctor Frowny-Face. I can see the scowl lines deepening across her forehead from the expression she wears at the hospital 12-14 hours a day, plus call. I rarely see the smile she used to favor me with all the time. And I feel very deeply that I am low on her list of priorities, far below the job, and the studying, but also other friends and family that she can spend the little time she has free with.

    I understand that she is continually and completely exhausted. I admire her and respect her for her devotion and hard work and the excellent things she does. The toll that it is taking on her is heartbreaking to me as one who loves her and tries to care for her. She recognizes that we have serious problems, and has come with me, resistantly, to a counselor, but tells me that once residency is all done she'll have so much more time that things will be much better. I'd like to believe it.

    Can anyone tell me what is at the end of the tunnel? Is the end of residency really a cure-all? I know her attendings still work very hard as do most physicians, and the committment and responsibility are enormous. I'm beginning to be afraid that more time is not the answer, that cutting her hours back to 60, or even 40, won't fix the problems. When she has an easy rotation like REI, it's better, but not good, and I also know that whatever job she gets is apt to be more demanding than that 8-5, easiest rotation of residency.

    I've spent some of the happiest years of my life with her--I remember well what they were like. But I need to be more than the roomate-who-cooks for someone, with my hopes for my career perpetually subsumed to and also overshadowed by her inestimably more important and more lucrative one. I don't want to be miserable or to make her miserable either. We're both children of divorced parents and we have no stomach for misery in the name of staying together. We don't have any children and I'm beginning to doubt very seriously that we should add children to a marriage such as ours.

    I guess I'd like to get some better idea of what it gets like past residency. I'm sorry that my post got so long and reads like such a bummer, but once I got started putting it down I couldn't stop with "Hi, I'm the husband of a..."

    Thanks.

    oh, to add a little bit of detail that people seem to post here--I'm a photojournalist. We have two big black dogs, a lab and a lab-collie.

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    Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

    Welcome aboard!! Stick around, read & post often!!!

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    • #3
      Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

      obgyn_boyo,

      I think that you will find that this is a group of kindred spirits. We too are facing the end of a grueling training journey and I almost can't fathom that it will be any different because this has become a way of life for us. My husband loves what he does but it has become the only thing that he does. We too live fairly individual lives. While I'm happy with my life, it is a far cry from what I envisioned it would be as a bright eyed college graduate. This medical journey has infiltrated every single aspect of our lives.

      Anyway, look around and make yourself at home. I would encourage active and meaningful posting in order to gain entrance into the more private forums. Best of luck.

      Kelly
      In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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      • #4
        Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

        Welcome! I am sorry that you are hurting. I've been there and still reside there at times. We are five years out of training. I suggest to come here often and read, read and read. There is light at the end of the tunnel. It isn't there immediately, but you will find it. Welcome. You are in good company here!
        Needs

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        • #5
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          I am sorry you are having such a difficult time. I am married to one of those second career MDs - we are both a good 10-15 years older than the average resident and my husband, thank goodness, is a "work to live" as opposed to a "live to work" type person. That being said, residency sucked the life out of him.

          His program absolutely SUCKED when it came to scheduling. We were lucky to get the months schedule on the first day of turnover. It was impossible to plan anything [that included our wedding and honeymoon never mind vacations or dinner plans ] I think all the resident spouses can relate to the residency pain.

          Can anyone tell me what is at the end of the tunnel? Is the end of residency really a cure-all?
          That really depends on what you and your wife choose to do with it. It can be - and for us, it has been. DH just finished residency this June and we are taking some time to relocate where we both want to live, going to some conferences and catching up with life in general. After he starts with his practice, well - party time is over for a while again. We have a clear picture of what we want for ourselves. He will not be working insane hours; at the same time I am sure he would be if I went back to working 80+ hours.

          Have you spoken to your wife about your concerns? Have you discussed life after residency? Do you guys have a five year plan? Is it based on what you both want?

          Best of luck to you - and again welcome!!

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          • #6
            Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

            Welcome. You've come to the right place.

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            • #7
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              Hi and welcome! I hope that it helps to come here. We're far from being done, but I've noticed the strain already since my husband started his intern year at the end of June. It's really difficult with both of us working. I guess we got a little spoiled with him home so much during 4th year. It really does start feeling like roommates at times, when we're both stressed and busy.

              I think waiting to have kids is a great idea. I really hope that you guys can find the balance you need to stay together, but that would probably be harder to do with an infant. Would it be possible for you to try staying at home? I know it's a little unusual, but last year it made my life a million times better having my husband at home to take care of things when he wasn't on a rotation (and my job was way less stressful than OB/GYN). Doctors need lots of support, and maybe it could reduce her stress enough to get you guys through this point? From personal experience as the working spouse, it really makes it seem more like a home, and like we're on a team together, instead of two strangers sleeping in the same house.
              Laurie
              My team: DH (anesthesiologist), DS (9), DD (8)

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              • #8
                Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                WELCOME!

                This is a fantastic site -- great people who KNOW how difficult residency IS.

                We're done and I have two words for you -- PRIVATE PRACTICE.

                Flynn

                Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

                “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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                • #9
                  Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                  Welcome! It's good to see another guy find his way to the board. There aren't that many of us around here, so I think you'll find the toilet seat down most of the time when you log on.

                  So, uh, how about those sports teams? I hear they played a good game recently..

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                  • #10
                    Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                    I'm so sorry your marriage is in such a rough spot. Although we're a way off from being finished, you'll find folks here from all stages of training and post training who can commisserate and provide you support. Once your posts reach 50, you will have access to the private forums, so stick around, post often, and we'll look forward to getting to know you! In the meantime, hang in there.
                    Charlene~Married to an attending Ophtho Mudphud and Mom to 2 daughters

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                    • #11
                      Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                      From one newbie to another, AND one fellow journalist to another -- welcome. And I feel your pain!

                      I'm sorry to hear about your challenges - I doubt you'll find anyone on here (from what I can tell so far anyway!) who doesn't identify on some level. I have felt, plenty of times, that I'm a roommate who cooks, too - and does cleaning and laundry and scrubs crap out of white coats and runs errands and... you know the drill And I gave up a great job in a city I loved to be with him in the first place. I know the feeling of reaching that point where you wonder if the sacrifices are worth it or not.

                      I hope that it turns out to be worth it for the two of you, or that whatever situation will make you both happiest will come to pass. I definitely believe there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Now is maybe just one of those times that it's reeeeeally hard to see it. I hope you stick around and read and that this site is a help to you!

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                      • #12
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                        Welcome to the board. I wish I could say there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but honestly, I'm not seeing one for myself so I'm not very optimistic right now. I can say my own husband does not care to hear a single vent out of me because his job is so much harder. He wasn't amused when our 10 year old told him Mommy's job is more important because she helps plan parties (I'm an admin at a PR firm for 4 hours a day).

                        Anyway, medical life sucks. At least there are plenty of others in the same boat though who understand and will listen to your venting. I do hope things turn around for you and your wife though and that you are able to weather this storm.
                        Veronica
                        Mother of two ballerinas and one wild boy

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                        • #13
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                          Wow!

                          Thanks so much for all the replies. I'm really amazed and touched. After reading your posts here and others elsewhere on the board, I'm not sure that my wife and I are doing so badly. I'm reassured that I'm not just going out of my head and others feel similarly. We do spend time together just about every day. We do talk seriously about some of these issues--something that has made us very aware of our problems, but not of any solutions. At the same time, to read about similar issues from so many of you is very discouraging to me as well--it seems that the set of problems is pretty well defined and endemic. It makes me kind of angry even, not so much with my wife, but the medical profession as a whole. If finding a good accomodation with my wife means that she can't act like all the other doctors seem to, that seems a bleak prospect.

                          Have others finding this group had a similar reaction?

                          Thanks again, and I look forward to knowing you better.

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                          • #14
                            Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                            chiming in late...welcome!!

                            hang around and don't let all the women scare you off!
                            ~shacked up with an ob/gyn~

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                            • #15
                              Re: glad i found this board. Hi!

                              Originally posted by obgyn_boyo
                              It makes me kind of angry even, not so much with my wife, but the medical profession as a whole. If finding a good accomodation with my wife means that she can't act like all the other doctors seem to, that seems a bleak prospect.

                              Have others finding this group had a similar reaction?

                              Thanks again, and I look forward to knowing you better.
                              I get where you're coming from.

                              I found this board before DH was even accepted to medical school, because I was already freaking out at the prospect when he started applying. Mostly fear of the unknown, coupled with scary partial knowledge of stats about divorce rates, etc.

                              What I've gained from being here is a sense of perspective. Knowing that so many couples have been through this (even really bad residencies and fellowships) and survived, and that most of the time, the grass *is* greener on the other side of residency - that helps. I've learned that the coming years are going to be hard, but not impossibly so. That I need to reset my expectations for his involvement in our home life, but at the same time not allow myself to be completely ignored/taken for granted (There's a fine line between "understanding spouse" and "doormat", and it's in a different spot than it was when were were both working 8-5 M-F). That being done with training doesn't magically fix everything immediately; there's still a transition period (that can be lengthy). That things done and said in the throes of sleep deprivation may hurt, but aren't necessarily indicative of what he would say/do if he weren't sleep-deprived.

                              Stick around, and keep reading (and writing)!
                              Sandy
                              Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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