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From Mpls St. Paul Mag -- Kris/Kelly this is for you!

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  • From Mpls St. Paul Mag -- Kris/Kelly this is for you!

    I read this and LOL!
    I put it in the Debate section just in case it offends anyone.
    I am not an LA fan for anything else other than a vacation but some of the sentiment here definitely hits home!!!


    LA Knows You
    By David Anderson

    Is LA's disdain for the Midwest rooted in anything more than snobbery? Yep.


    To the Los Angeleno, Minneapolis and St. Paul are a frigid tundra inhabited by Fargo - speaking meathead men - who perversely enjoy fishing on frozen water - and round, Velveeta -eating Pollyanna women who soak even their vitamins in lard and speak with the lilt of rejected beauty queens.

    That is if they have an opinion about the Twin Cities at all. In the eyes of we Angelenos, the land between us and New York is a vast expanse of red states, homophobes, Applebee's gun owners, type 2 diabetes, and Neilsen-rating families who keep reality programming on the air. Although I hate to break it to you, the Twin Cities falls into this abyss.

    And to those Los Angelenos with some geographical and Midwestern knowledge, the Guthrie, Mondale electoral votes, and 3M innovations are lost to visions of Jesse the Body, Wobegon simpletons buried in tenfoot snow drifts, The Indy 500 (Indianapolis and Minneapolis confusion is rampant), and a state wrestling program with herpes. Sorry to rehash, but LA friends still chide me about this national story.

    The Twin Cities oblivion is further hampered by the fact that it's not a tidy, easily understood, metropolitan structure. "You mean St. Paul isn't a suburb?" is a question I've been asked more than once. With "Why is the capital, Duluth, so far from Minneapolis?" often the follow-up.

    Leave it to the drug-trade to give Minnesota a good name. LA addicts who get sober in the "Sota" are by far the best champions of the Twin Cities virtues. On more than one occasion a friend working the program has shared with me his or her reverence for the lake culture, cosmopolitan people and Culber's ButterBurgers.

    The stigma of the Twin cities and the Midwest is deeper than weather. Unzip the parka and treading quietly beneath "progressive" Midwestern burbs is a social conservatism that Angelenos are well aware of, and makes them uncomfortable. Sure, LA has its celebrity-centric baggage and image obsessions, but it has no illusions of maintaining an allegiance to Catholic or Protestant forefathers. There is a freedom in a lack of history, a lack of religious judgment, that allows LA to thrive on chaos, discovery and irreverence. It's invigorating, but Father Hennepin would be none too pleased.

    It's true that Los Angeles was founded as a Catholic mission, but that doesn't drive social mores today. One of LA's most popular film events is the summer film series that screens at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Sipping wine and eating Brie above the corpses of Bugsy Siegel and Johnny Ramone, LA residents faithfully turn out for weekly screenings of such films as Harold and Maude, The Player, and Chinatown -- the creaking of the cemetery's palms, mixed with drunken laughter or a projected sex scene at once sacrilegious and divine.

    Could such an experience exist in the Midwest? Doubtful -- and Los Angelenos know it. Like New Yorkers who wear their hardened life like a badge of honor, Los Angelenos wear their sauciness and impertinence like "flair" on a T.G.I.Friday's server. They've created a place where the absurd can happen, and for better or worse, the consequences can be dealt with in the morning. I love it, I must admit. It's intoxicating, liberating and it feeds my creativity, at least for the moment.

    So I am challenged when asked, "Will you ever move back to the Twin Cities?" Do I want the cold, the talk of walleyes bitin', and the rise in my cholesterol? I can live with them. I just don't want to lose my freedom.
    Flynn

    Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

    “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

  • #2
    Thanks, that was a wonderful read!!!!!
    Luanne
    wife, mother, nurse practitioner

    "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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    • #3
      Whatever do you mean? You know I just love Minnesota....Freedom, friendship, family...who needs it when you have ice fishing and Minnesota nice to keep you company....
      ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
      ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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      • #4
        I'd still live in Minnesota over LA anyday - I can't handle ALL of those people and ALL of that traffic. To each their own.
        Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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        • #5
          It's hard to choose. Sitting at home or trendy restaurant, I'd take NY or LA over anything in between. But after about an hour in standstill traffic or squeezed tighter than sardines in a sweaty subway, I often sway in the opposite direction.

          I'm still shuddering remembering a few comments from last week's interview.

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          • #6
            See that's just it - Minneapolis has GREAT restaurants. Solera and Chino Latino are the first two that come to mind. Yes, some people who die here because of the weather, I get that - go live somewhere else. But I'll never be able to go back to sitting in traffic for an hour each way after and before work everyday - just not me, maybe if I was raised there.
            Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Suzy Sunshine
              See that's just it - Minneapolis has GREAT restaurants. Solera and Chino Latino are the first two that come to mind. Yes, some people who die here because of the weather, I get that - go live somewhere else. But I'll never be able to go back to sitting in traffic for an hour each way after and before work everyday - just not me, maybe if I was raised there.
              Minneapolis has great restaurants --- FOR MINNESOTA. Most of the "hip/yummy places" in Minneapolis are less than ten years old. I LIKE Minneapolis. I do. I think it's a fun city without too much traffic and it has theatre and music to boot.

              I think Minneapolis is fairly progressive -- for the Midwest and certainly for Minnesota. For a West Coast girl, Minnesota FEELS very conservative -- perspective here is important.

              We could have lived in LA -- and chose not to.

              I think the article is not so much saying LA is better but just the Midwest feels a little like going back in time -- FOR A REASON. Is that bad? Not necessarily, it's all a matter of priorities and what your baseline is.
              Flynn

              Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

              “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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              • #8
                Totally agree, not necessarily bad and totally based on what you know. I don't feel like I'm back in time here but that could be a perception to b/c I was raised in the midwest, spent a year in Denver and then five in Palo Alto. I'd go back to Denver in a heartbeat but not Palo Alto.

                This is why the world goes round because not everyone wants to live in the same place (luckily).
                Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Suzy Sunshine
                  Totally agree, not necessarily bad and totally based on what you know. I don't feel like I'm back in time here but that could be a perception to b/c I was raised in the midwest, spent a year in Denver and then five in Palo Alto. I'd go back to Denver in a heartbeat but not Palo Alto.
                  We tried to find something to interview for in Denver and came up with nothing. Gotta love specializing so much that the jobs are limited.

                  In many ways I think Denver would have been a better fit for us than the Midwest --- but that's me trying to find the "perfect" situation.

                  The article struck me because I'm SO SHOCKED on a given day how traditional and 1950's this place feels. I'm remembering why I was so frustrated in college here.

                  The public places are empty here on Sunday mornings because everyone is at church. It's a little freaky if you ask me.

                  I have a love/hate relationship with Minnesota and basically the Midwest in general.

                  There are enough pros to keep us here for a long time though so I better make my peace with it!
                  Flynn

                  Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

                  “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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                  • #10
                    okay, so this is way off topic..maybe...but thought i would throw it in there.

                    there is a county here...Logan county...they're DESPERATE for an ob/gyn and offering $500,000/yr. heck ya...that would be great!!!

                    but, when you drive into that town it looks like it's stuck in the 50's! the cars movie..when lightning mcqueen comes sliding into town where he has to stay and fix the roads...that's logan. the joke is, they even have their own language.

                    $500,000/year sounds pretty sweet.
                    ~shacked up with an ob/gyn~

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