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  • Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

    Off the AP Wire, from about an hour ago. Not a huge surprise, given the court.

    By DENISE LAVOIE

    BOSTON - A Harvard student must be allowed extra break time during her nine-hour medical licensing exam so she can pump breast milk to feed her 4-month-old daughter, a Massachusetts appeals court judge ruled Wednesday.

    Sophie Currier, 33, sued after the National Board of Medical Examiners turned down her request to take more than the standard 45 minutes in breaks during the exam.

    Currier said she risks medical complications if she does not nurse her daughter, Lea, or pump breast milk every two to three hours.

    A Superior Court judge last week rejected Currier's request to order the board to give her an additional 60 minutes of break time. Appeals Court Judge Gary Katzmann overturned that ruling, finding that Currier needs the extra break time to put her on "equal footing" with the men and non-lactating women who take the exam.

    The board had cited a need to be consistent in the amount of break time given and said other nursing mothers who have taken the exam found 45 minutes sufficient.

    But Katzmann said that amount of break time was "insufficient" for Currier to nurse her baby, properly express breast milk, eat, drink and use the restroom over the course of the nine-hour exam.

    Without extra break time, Currier would have to choose between pumping breast milk and ignoring her bodily functions or foregoing pumping and causing herself significant pain, the judge said.

    "Under either avenue, (Currier) is placed at significant disadvantage in comparison to her peers," Katzmann wrote in his 26-page ruling.

    Calls to Currier, her lawyer and an attorney for the board were not immediately returned.

    Currier already had received special accommodations under the Americans with Disabilities Act for dyslexia and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, including permission to take the test over two days instead of one.

    Currier has finished a joint M.D.-Ph.D. program at Harvard University while having two babies in the past two years. She has been offered a residency in clinical pathology at Massachusetts General Hospital beginning in November but cannot accept it unless she passes the test. Her goal is a career in medical research.

    She took the exam in April when she was 8 1/2 months pregnant, but failed by a few points. She had planned to take the test again earlier this week, but put it off after Norfolk Superior Court Judge Patrick Brady ruled against her last week.

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    Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

    Ok a couple things - since when did residencies start in November?

    I've spoken to several of my breast feeding friends about this and they say with an automatice pump it doesn't take them that long to pump - is that right?

    I still think she's just a whiner.
    Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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    • #3
      Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

      Thank you Ms. Currier for furthering the cause of women.

      If it said, and perhaps this is the case, "given her history of rapid onset and difficult to treat mastitis"...instead of "...risks medical complications" I would be more sympathetic.

      I would love to hear a statistic on how many breastfeeding women have taken this test successfully. My suspicion is that this has more to do with her not passing last time than breastfeeding.

      Cheri -- It is different for everyone but with a good double electric pump, 10 minutes tops is all I needed. Also, in 10-15 minutes, I would think she could express enough milk to relieve pressure until she could pump again. And if she pumped right before and right after, couldn't she do it with 2 breaks and have 22 minutes for each break?

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        Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

        Originally posted by cupcake
        Thank you Ms. Currier for furthering the cause of women.

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          Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

          Lame. I'd like to know if she passes her test this time.

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          • #6
            Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

            Originally posted by madeintaiwan
            Lame. I'd like to know if she passes her test this time.
            seriously doubt she'll get as much publicity ...

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              Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

              But Katzmann said that amount of break time was "insufficient" for Currier to nurse her baby, properly express breast milk, eat, drink and use the restroom over the course of the nine-hour exam.

              Without extra break time, Currier would have to choose between pumping breast milk and ignoring her bodily functions or foregoing pumping and causing herself significant pain, the judge said.
              I think this makes complete sense.

              And, for goodness' sake - she's already been accepted into MGH's residency program (after completing her education) as a pathologist. If she was going into surgery I'd say her bodily needs are probably incapatible with her chosen profession. But, pathology? Come on. If she'd do just fine in a rads residency (which, she definitely would) then I think she's OK in a path residency as well. DH also though the uproar over this was just...ridiculous.
              Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
              With fingernails that shine like justice
              And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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                Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                Originally posted by madeintaiwan
                Lame. I'd like to know if she passes her test this time.
                Well since she somehow seems to have found a residency that doesn't start until November I would assume she's been studying since July. I would hope she passes.


                What do pathology residents do for intern year? IM? That intern year can be just as demanding as others, can't it?
                Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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                • #9
                  Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                  Well, now that that is settled, we can move on to the less important issues like universal healthcare, world peace, getting out of Iraq etc.....

                  :>
                  ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
                  ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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                  • #10
                    Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                    Well, now that that is settled, we can move on to the less important issues like universal healthcare, world peace, getting out of Iraq etc.....
                    Crack me up. Maybe that is why we're all so up in arms over this. Issues like education, the war, and the environment seem overwhelming. Pass the tabloids please.

                    Kelly
                    In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                      Originally posted by PrincessFiona
                      Well, now that that is settled, we can move on to the less important issues like universal healthcare, world peace, getting out of Iraq etc.....

                      :>
                      It's amazing which topics are more emotionally charged than others. I think this one just hit close to home for a lot of people here....
                      Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
                      With fingernails that shine like justice
                      And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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                      • #12
                        Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                        If I'm truly honest, I see valid points on both sides of this debate. Perhaps my own issues as a working mom having to "ration" my special requests to my employer to accomodate motherhood hit too close to home.

                        I can wear big girl panties too. Although I prefer to run neekked through the sprinkler.

                        Kelly
                        In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                          How about TomKat? Any news?
                          Luanne
                          wife, mother, nurse practitioner

                          "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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                            Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                            Originally posted by house elf
                            Perhaps my own issues as a working mom having to "ration" my special requests to my employer to accomodate motherhood hit too close to home.

                            I've been thinking about this a lot and think that is some of the reason for my reaction. It just seems like there might be better (IMO) and more valid requests for helping parents. And I can't get past my hunch that this has more to do with her not passing the first time than anything else. :huh:

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                              Re: Update on the Breast-feeding, Test-Failing, ADHD, Harvard MD

                              Originally posted by Suzy Sunshine
                              What do pathology residents do for intern year? IM? That intern year can be just as demanding as others, can't it?
                              they do Pathology. There used to be an additional year built in for "research", which is how dh was able to switch from GS to Path w/o losing time. While he was a resident, the program was shortened from 5 to 4 years. If she's only doing CP or only doing AP, I think she'll only have to do 3 years.

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