Not all residents are smart...

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Okay. Okay. I'm with you again. Hotrod is a man about town. By his tats ye shall know him. It could be something like that. The old saw that truth is stranger than fiction comes to mind.

I must say as a general response to the thread that I'm a little shocked that a giggle and a great cocktail party story [with deindentified information i.e. "some dude" had a..."] wasn't the way the story ended. Maybe I'm on old fogey at 34 and/or pretty serious about privacy but I just can't see pulling out the phone for the photo in the OR environment [yes, I do understand photos for textbooks, medical purposes]. It just screams dumbass to me, but that's why I wonder if some of it is generational. That is, those young whippersnappers pull out their handy dandy cell phones at the drop of a hat...i.e. all the synapses don't fire fast enough to stop the stupidity.

[spotty_dog]

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It just screams dumbass to me, but that's why I wonder if some of it is generational. That is, those young whippersnappers pull out their handy dandy cell phones at the drop of a hat...i.e. all the synapses don't fire fast enough to stop the stupidity.

Yes! I thought the same thing, because I remember from hearing about the Genarlow Wilson case, when it was overturned, that Genarlow's attorney explained that although it seems shocking to us that the teens were video-taping the sex acts for which he was convicted, it's really a youth culture thing that kids these days document everything with their camera phones and video cameras.

But, then again, a chief resident in GS is at least 30 by my math. Which means there's no generational gap unless I'm just that disconnected from my own age group.

For those who asked if cell phone cameras might ever be used for legitimate photos, I am fairly sure that the case study that DH got published was based on a photo of the interesting rash in question, snapped by said hubby's Razr.

[Rapunzel]

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See, the fact that someone reported this 1)first to the media and (2)used the patient's full name (and the paper printed it!) makes me think that this was NOT a medical person who reported the incident. Anyone with any knowledge of HIPAA has had it beaten into them the repurcussions for violating it. Plants a seed of doubt in my mind....

This is the scenario that flit through my mind:

Post surgery - Patient is in bed recovering and the chief resident of surgery comes in and discusses the surgery with him. Somehow the tatoo comes up in conversation and surgical resident mentions they took a picture of it with a cell phone. Surgical resident probably doesn't think twice about doing it OR mentioning it to THIS patient. Patient probably laughs about it (maybe he has other pics of it out there?).

Patient goes home and some completely ignorant non-medical person tells him that it's probably unethical to take pics in the OR - especially of a person's penis. Patient then starts thinking that if he made a rucus about the situation he could get some extra publicity for his strip club. Heck, maybe he could ultimately SUE somebody and make a ton of money! Patient contacts a reporter for the local paper and uses his full name....

The fact that the paper PRINTED the patient's full name (it was approved by editors as well) says to me that the patient perhaps is the one who reported this. It makes me wonder.

It just does NOT make sense that the person went to the media FIRST and used the patient's FULL NAME. It smacks of a non-medical person doing this....

:huh:

Edit: And another thing: That the person reporting this to the media stated that the picture happened when the chief resident of surgery was placing a catheter makes me think this was a nonmedical person going to the media as well. Because, as I understand it a chief res in surg wouldn't be the one doing that AND he couldn't actually whip out the cell phone and take a picture while placing a catheter. This makes me think the person just made up when it actually happened in the process - and that it occuring during the catheter being placed was an invention that made the entire things sound more salacious.

Just sayin' - it doesn't sound like medical staff went to the media on this.

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Ok. Ok. I'm bored. [Sidebar ...my holiday farewell post early a.m. before work was premature. SIL didn't know her train times and I went to the station from work and she wasn't there with her train. Now, her rescheduled train is on the fritz ...slated to arrive at midnight...and DW is at hospital].

But does the full-name part of the process necessarily rule out a medical person? What if as I suggested earlier that they have been recently severely reprimanded ... or actually already fired? They would have knowledge of the incident, be a current (low-level) or former healthcare worker and have nothing or little to lose by spilling the whole name.

In fact, spilling the name might have been critical to getting the reporter to bite. The reporter needed that to continue follow the story as corroboration.

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I'm always terribly scared of anybody called a HIPPA enthusiast. I've tangled with enough IRB personnel to understand that anyone who can be labeled an enthusiast is a low-level thinker.

But, seriously, I'm no enthusiast but snapping a photo of the dude's junk is way beyond the pale [just had to put that on the record].

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I did. It helped "release" the pent up tedium of my wait for the train.

Just like you were waiting to pounce on "Jewfro" last night.

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Kevin and Lily online at the same time -- I love it!

How do you know we're not the same person, sending messages from the only section eight housing in Eue Claire Wisconsin?

[SuzySunshine]

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First that's not how you spell Eau Claire, WI!

[SuzySunshine]

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Its about 90 miles from here and we have a mall there, I've made many trips there since we moved here. I'm impressed Kevin even knows it exists.

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I'm impressed Kevin even knows it exists.

Except I spelled it like a "whole language" kid - which is so not my generation. I was phonics before phonics was cool.

Isn't Eau Claire the coldest place in the U.S. on average...or am I not warm at all?

[SuzySunshine]

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I beleive International Falls, MN holds the coldest place "award".

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You are totally right. Okay, now I need to redeem myself somehow.

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My hotrod theory is that someone distantly knew him (or recognized his penis-yuck!) and approached him afterwards with this possible money maker.

I'd know that penis anywhere!

Kevin, I think you have a point about the whippersnappers and that new-fangled technology. It is more natural (though not acceptable to snap a pt photo in the OR!!!) to just take a pic with the cellphone. I feel a generation gap. Wait, Alison, ETA that you got me with the math. He must be about 30. And I'm impressed with your hubby's Razr skills.

Hey, I know how to spell Eau Claire too! And Menomonie.

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I feel a generation gap.

Trust me on this my peers. Get your relatives and friends to pull out the "classic" edition of trivial pursuit over the holidays. Don't accept anything less. Don't give up without a fight. We are relevant! Chants "we're not 'gonna take it; no we aint gonna take it anymore".

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See, the fact that someone reported this 1)first to the media and (2)used the patient's full name (and the paper printed it!) makes me think that this was NOT a medical person who reported the incident. Anyone with any knowledge of HIPAA has had it beaten into them the repurcussions for violating it. Plants a seed of doubt in my mind....

This is the scenario that flit through my mind:

Post surgery - Patient is in bed recovering and the chief resident of surgery comes in and discusses the surgery with him. Somehow the tatoo comes up in conversation and surgical resident mentions they took a picture of it with a cell phone. Surgical resident probably doesn't think twice about doing it OR mentioning it to THIS patient. Patient probably laughs about it (maybe he has other pics of it out there?).

Patient goes home and some completely ignorant non-medical person tells him that it's probably unethical to take pics in the OR - especially of a person's penis. Patient then starts thinking that if he made a rucus about the situation he could get some extra publicity for his strip club. Heck, maybe he could ultimately SUE somebody and make a ton of money! Patient contacts a reporter for the local paper and uses his full name....

The fact that the paper PRINTED the patient's full name (it was approved by editors as well) says to me that the patient perhaps is the one who reported this. It makes me wonder.

It just does NOT make sense that the person went to the media FIRST and used the patient's FULL NAME. It smacks of a non-medical person doing this....

:huh:

Edit: And another thing: That the person reporting this to the media stated that the picture happened when the chief resident of surgery was placing a catheter makes me think this was a nonmedical person going to the media as well. Because, as I understand it a chief res in surg wouldn't be the one doing that AND he couldn't actually whip out the cell phone and take a picture while placing a catheter. This makes me think the person just made up when it actually happened in the process - and that it occuring during the catheter being placed was an invention that made the entire things sound more salacious.

Just sayin' - it doesn't sound like medical staff went to the media on this.

This is an interesting scenario, which could be very true, although the last story on the Republic's Web site said the resident called the patient to tell him about the pending story. Since he was quoted, as far as I can tell, in the first story that went to print, I don't see how that was the case unless he called the reporter when he found out about the story. But who knows whom to believe at this point. The guy could have made all that up as well. I am still flabbergasted that the paper used his name so freely.

I'm starting to wonder about the overall reporting of the story -- the questions above certainly bring that to light. My DH made a comment about the chief surgeon doing the catheter. She wondered if that means residents at the Mayo just don't get to do very much. I'm starting to wonder if the reporter(s) even thought to ask such a question. The editors didn't do a good job here either. And I'm still shocked they used "member" for, well, you know, member.

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