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    Some of y'all may not be old enough to recognize Peggy Noonan's name...but then, some of y'all (me included!!) are! Anyhow, she was the incredibly gifted speech writer of Ronald Reagan. She now freelances on political issues.

    Wherever you are on the political spectrum...you might find this an interesting commentary. She's an insightful commentator on the American political atmosphere.

    DECLARATIONS
    By PEGGY NOONAN

    The View From Gate 14
    April 25, 2008
    America is in line at the airport. America has its shoes off, is carrying a rubberized bin, is going through a magnetometer. America is worried there is fungus on the floor after a million stockinged feet have walked on it. But America knows not to ask. America is guilty until proved innocent, and no one wants to draw undue attention. America left its ticket and passport in the jacket in the bin in the X-ray machine, and is admonished. America is embarrassed to have put one one-ounce moisturizer too many in the see-through bag. America is irritated that the TSA agent removed its mascara, opened it, put it to her nose, and smelled it. Why don't you put it up your nose and see if it explodes? America thinks.

    And, as always: Why do we do this when you know I am not a terrorist, and you know I know you know I am not a terrorist? Why this costly and harassing kabuki when we both know the facts, and would agree that all this harassment is the government's way of showing "fairness," of showing that it will equally humiliate anyone in order to show its high-mindedness and sense of justice? Our politicians congratulate themselves on this as we stand in line.

    All the frisking, beeping and patting down is demoralizing to our society. It breeds resentment, encourages a sense that the normal are not in control, that common sense is yesterday. Another thing: It reduces the status of that ancestral arbiter and leader of society, the middle-aged woman. In the new fairness, she is treated like everyone, without respect, like the loud ruffian and the vulgar girl on the phone. The middle-aged woman is the one spread-eagled over there in the delicate shell beneath the removed jacket, praying nothing on her body goes beep and makes people look.

    America makes it through security, gets to the gate, waits. The TV monitor is on. It is Wolf Blitzer. He is telling us with a voice of urgency of the Pennsylvania returns. But no one looks up. We are a nation of Willie Lomans, dragging our rollies through acres of airport, going through life with a suitcase and a slack jaw, trying to get home after a long day of meetings, of moving product.

    No one in crowded gate 14 looks up to see what happened in Pennsylvania. No one. Wolf talks to the air. Gate 14 is small-town America, a mix, a group of people of all classes and races brought together and living in close proximity until the plane is called, and America knows what Samuel Johnson knew. "How small of all that human hearts endure / That part which laws or kings can cause or cure."

    Gate 14 doesn't think any one of the candidates is going to make their lives better. Gate 14 will vote anyway, because they know they are the grownups of America and must play the role and do the job.

    * * *

    So: Pennsylvania. As seen from the distance of West Texas, central California and Oklahoma, which is where I've been.

    Main thought. Hillary Clinton is not Barack Obama's problem. America is Mr. Obama's problem. He has been tagged as a snooty lefty, as the glamorous, ambivalent candidate from Men's Vogue, the candidate who loves America because of the great progress it has made in terms of racial fairness. Fine, good. But has he ever gotten misty-eyed over . . . the Wright Brothers and what kind of country allowed them to go off on their own and change everything? How about D-Day, or George Washington, or Henry Ford, or the losers and brigands who flocked to Sutter's Mill, who pushed their way west because there was gold in them thar hills? There's gold in that history.

    John McCain carries it in his bones. Mr. McCain learned it in school, in the Naval Academy, and, literally, at grandpa's knee. Mrs. Clinton learned at least its importance in her long slog through Arkansas, circa 1977-92.

    Mr. Obama? What does he think about all that history? Which is another way of saying: What does he think of America? That's why people talk about the flag pin absent from the lapel. They wonder if it means something. Not that the presence of the pin proves love of country – any cynic can wear a pin, and many cynics do. But what about Obama and America? Who would have taught him to love it, and what did he learn was loveable, and what does he think about it all?

    Another challenge. Snooty lefties get angry when you ask them to talk about these things. They get resentful. Who are you to question my patriotism? But no one is questioning his patriotism, they're questioning its content, its fullness. Gate 14 has a right to hear this. They'd lean forward to hear.

    This is an opportunity, for Mr. Obama needs an Act II. Act II is hard. Act II is where the promise of Act I is deepened, the plot thickens, and all is teed up for resolution and meaning. Mr. Obama's Act I was: I'm Obama. He enters the scene. Act III will be the convention and acceptance speech. After that a whole new drama begins. But for now he needs Act II. He should make his subject America.

    * * *

    Here's some comfort for him, for all Democrats. In Lubbock, Texas – Lubbock Comma Texas, the heart of Texas conservatism – they dislike President Bush. He has lost them. I was there and saw it. Confusion has been followed by frustration has turned into resentment, and this is huge. Everyone knows the president's poll numbers are at historic lows, but if he is over in Lubbock, there is no place in this country that likes him. I made a speech and moved around and I was tough on him and no one – not one – defended or disagreed. I did the same in North Carolina recently, and again no defenders. I did the same in Fresno, Calif., and no defenders, not one.

    He has left on-the-ground conservatives – the local right-winger, the town intellectual reading Burke and Kirk, the old Reagan committeewoman – feeling undefended, unrepresented and alone.

    This will have impact down the road.

    I finally understand the party nostalgia for Reagan. Everyone speaks of him now, but it wasn't that way in 2000, or 1992, or 1996, or even '04.

    I think it is a manifestation of dislike for and disappointment in Mr. Bush. It is a turning away that is a turning back. It is a looking back to conservatism when conservatism was clear, knew what it was, was grounded in the facts of the world.

    The reasons for the quiet break with Mr. Bush: spending, they say first, growth in the power and size of government, Iraq. I imagine some of this: a fine and bitter conservative sense that he has never had to stand in his stockinged feet at the airport holding the bin, being harassed. He has never had to live in the world he helped make, the one where grandma's hip replacement is setting off the beeper here and the child is crying there. And of course as a former president, with the entourage and the private jets, he never will. I bet conservatives don't like it. I'm certain Gate 14 doesn't.

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    My problem with this opinion is that I'm a snooty lefty. Seriously!

    I always wonder what the heck is the matter with me. I'm an American. My family has been here forever and ever. I'm a mutt with no ties to a European homeland. I'm white. WASPy. I've lived up and down the Eastern US. I'm well educated. 40 ish. I've worked for a living. Paid my taxes. I spend all my free time volunteering these days. I try not to judge others and I try to be a good person. So....why am I not "America"? Why am I not one of those "gate 14" folks? I never felt that my opinions were so belittled until I moved to the heartland. In the NE cities, I'm still "America". I don't think "small town" rules any more that "urban". I don't think the heartland gets the only vote. I don't think the definition of patriotism that comes from that sector can define "America", "patriotism" and "what really matters" for everyone. They question the "content and fullness" of his patriotism?? Because he doesn't get chills about the Wright brothers? Huh?? How do they even know that? And...why does everyone have to have the same life experience to be valued? That is not my America. I resent the suggestion that I am less "American" because I do not value the same nostalgic experiences. That's just silly. Aren't we above that? Isn't it "elitist" to assume your values and experiences are better and more important than those in this country that are different from you?

    So.....the article went down the tubes at that point for me. I wish she'd call his problem something else. Oy. Honestly, her essay made me more eager for a change from all this BS marketing/spin that counts as opinion. Sadly, I did like her work for Reagan and I think she can write a very inspiring speech. Too bad she is using her talents to divide and belittle people like me instead of unite all the different, varied and talented people this country has to build a better, stronger world. Boo hiss.
    Angie
    Gyn-Onc fellowship survivor - 10 years out of the training years; reluctant suburbanite
    Mom to DS (18) and DD (15) (and many many pets)

    "Where are we going - and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

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      Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

      Good grief.

      I think Peggy Noonan is a smart woman -- I've agreed with her at times in past columns BUT she also likes to hear herself talk too much for my taste.

      I don't think this is insightful at all. I think this is "stirring the pot" to get Americans interested in things OTHER than the real issues on the table. Obama isn't a true American? WTH? :tsk:

      He is an "AMERICAN STORY" from a movie script -- and I might add, so is McCain. They BOTH have led very "following the American Dream" storylines just in very different ways.

      Originally posted by oceanchild
      But more than that, she seems to believe that only Barack Obama is an elite, which is just ridiculous. Everyone who is running for president is now an elite. At some point perhaps they were not, but by now they are. John McCain's father and grandfather were both Admirals in the Navy. He went to a private boarding school. Today he is worth millions of dollars. But he isn't an elite because he learned his history? What?

      I don't understand how only liberals are elitist, while Republicans from all the privilege in the world are just ordinary Americans.
      I cannot agree with the above quote more. Didn't MOST of our presidents good and bad COME FROM privilege?????? Barack made something of himself FROM NOTHING. His financial background is SELF MADE not family made. He worked his tail off to get into fantastic schools to perhaps pave the way to where he is now but not without a whole lot of work, sweat, pounding the pavement in Chicago, and yes foresight. So lets brand Obama because....um...lets just say it.....he's BIRACIAL and some people don't/can't/will never trust him due to the color of his skin?

      He needs to say he gets goosebumps when he thinks of the Wright brothers to prove he's a good American?

      GIVE ME A MAJOR BREAK.
      Flynn

      Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

      “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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        ...and another thing it really bugs me when people sit on their high horse and say "I love American, HE loves America, SHE loves America -- but that person over there doesn't talk about it like I do so they don't love America."

        How someone loves and appreciates a country cannot be scripted.
        Really, Obama WANTS to be president because he feels luke warm about our country. Yeah. That's it. Definitely.

        The reason Obama has trouble with working class whites (especially men) where Hillary does not is #1 -- he's biracial, and #2 -- some people have bought into the ridiculousness of him being Muslim and the whole pastor Wright hoo ha.

        I think McCain is a noble and inherently good man. I don't agree with (most of) his politics but that doesn't mean I want to vilify him OR call his character into question. :huh: He's entitled to his opinion and so am I. End of story.

        The spin on this election is getting extremely annoying.

        Issues? Real political issues? What the hell are those????
        Flynn

        Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

        “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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          Re: Article by Peggy Noonan


          to what everyone said. I was feeling the same way but unfortunately felt like I couldn't comment for fear that someone would pull the "she's biased, of course she opposes, she's biracial" card on me.

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          • #6
            Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

            I skipped this initially and then after talking to Davita on the phone I went back and read it (even though I KNOW she only disliked it because she's biracial ). I had the same vibe from it as Angie & Julia - but couldn't have said it as well (so thanks ladies!)

            The whole "loves the Wright Brothers therefore is patriotic" just made me think "Jeez - because the Wright Brothers are from HIS era!" (okay - not exactly, but you get my point).

            I have a hard time believing that anyone willing to allow themselves to be ground up through what we call our political process would do that w/o a strong sense of patriotism. Whether their form of patriotism is one I agree with (GWB) is another story.

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            • #7
              Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

              It was funny, right after reading this (well, skimming then reading the responses ) I hopped in the car to go grocery shopping and what do you know, NPR is airing an item by a linguist about the modern use of the word "elite". It was really informative!

              http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=89940718
              Alison

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                Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                Originally posted by spotty_dog
                It was funny, right after reading this (well, skimming then reading the responses ) I hopped in the car to go grocery shopping and what do you know, NPR is airing an item by a linguist about the modern use of the word "elite". It was really informative!
                http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=89940718

                Thanks for the link alison
                Bummer !
                I guess I'm not Elite... since I know who Dale Ernhardt Jr. is!!

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                • #9
                  Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                  Fascinating!! I totally thought the debate would be focused on the last two paragraphs!!

                  It is always so interesting to see what sparks conversation...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                    Originally posted by GrayMatterWife
                    Fascinating!! I totally thought the debate would be focused on the last two paragraphs!!

                    It is always so interesting to see what sparks conversation...
                    leave it to this group to be facinating (to say the least )

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                    • #11
                      Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                      Originally posted by GrayMatterWife
                      Fascinating!! I totally thought the debate would be focused on the last two paragraphs!!

                      It is always so interesting to see what sparks conversation...
                      The last two paragraphs are kindof a "duh", to me. Didn't see much to debate there.

                      I agree with the general response to the article as a whole:
                      Sandy
                      Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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                      • #12
                        Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                        I got lost at the snooty left part because I do think the whole thing about the pin is silly. (Granted, I have heard very little about it because what have heard doesn't incline me to find out a lot more). I'm not sure why there are only two possible opinions on the flag pin.

                        I thought the end of the article was interesting because it confirmed what I had wondered but didn't hear a whole lot about.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                          Originally posted by Sheherezade
                          Honestly, her essay made me more eager for a change from all this BS marketing/spin that counts as opinion. Sadly, I did like her work for Reagan and I think she can write a very inspiring speech. Too bad she is using her talents to divide and belittle people like me instead of unite all the different, varied and talented people this country has to build a better, stronger world. Boo hiss.
                          I agree.
                          ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
                          ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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                          • #14
                            Re: Article by Peggy Noonan

                            Originally posted by Ladybug


                            I despise the TV monitors in airport terminals blaring the-sky-is-falling news. They are so loud you can't read a book undistracted. TV monitors at grocery stores. In my produce section. Noise, noise, noise. It's like we've become so afraid of silence. It's scary how pervasive they are becoming. We're all jacked into one brain constantly. THink this. Buy this. Buy that. You can't get away from it anymore. I can't even buy apples without listening to it.
                            Where do you shop for groceries? I don't think I've ever been to a grocery store with TVs on. If I were you, I'd be switching stores, and I'd be telling the management why.

                            I always have my ipod with my noise-canceling headphones with me when I travel, so the TVs in airport gates never keep me from reading, and my TiVo lets me watch exactly what I want when I want, and skip the ads, too. I also have an ad-blocker on my web browser. I definitely don't feel jacked into one brain. I highly recommend the use of technology to avoid ads and scaremongering news.
                            Sandy
                            Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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