Palin's Speech

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When Palin criticized Obama being a community organizer she was responding to the fact that all week people have been criticizing her for being the mayor of a town of 6,000 and a member of the PTA.

This one kills me. Okay - I can see Palin feeling the need to dig back at that (although I still think it's a valid issue), but if Palin were actually running against Guliani for an office, he'd be the FIRST one to try to bury her with that. Yet he tries to stand there and equate her being a mayor in Wasilla to his mayoral experience in NYC.

[Sheherezade]

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A city with more people to manage and govern than the state of Alaska.


Oh yeah, Rudy would have a field day with that.

[Cumberland]

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I felt that the republican speakers, in general, were mean both Palin and Guiliani. I felt that their speeches were meant to garner laughs more than anything.

On the contrary, I felt that in Obamas speech he was tough, but not mean, and he has been defending Palin to the media and has never waivered from his speech of McCain as a patriot and war hero.

I am just completely disinterested in the negativity and finger pointing. Talk to me about the issues and how you are going to help the country.

[MDPhDWife]

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Holy sh*t.

She's going to completely kick Biden's as$.

It's funny you say that because DH and I said the EXACT opposite last night after watching her.

Again, I'm not her target audience but I was less than impressed with her speech. She came across as condesending and sarcastic. There wasn't a whole lot of substance to what she was saying.

[DCJenn]

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I think she squandered a fabulous opportunity to point out what she could DO. Not what she can DEFEND.

Jenn

[DCJenn]

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Oh, I think she did a good job, I was hoping for a little more content though.

J.

[McPants]

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Content..? These are politicians, aren't they?

[Momo]

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and the music to cue for her speech: Violent Femmes Lies

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/...5.ivtTXx5h24cA

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Come on you guys, even some of the super left on MSNBC said she hit it out of the park. Even the former head of communications for Hillary gave her an A+.

Even I said I thought she delivered a good speech - I just thought the speech was too sarcastic and insulting, rather than having any merit of it's own. But no doubt she can deliver a speech.

[GrayMatterWife]

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Come on you guys, even some of the super left on MSNBC said she hit it out of the park. Even the former head of communications for Hillary gave her an A+.

Even I said I thought she delivered a good speech - I just thought the speech was too sarcastic and insulting, rather than having any merit of it's own. But no doubt she can deliver a speech.

That's exactly how a lot of conservatives feel about Obama's speeches--he hits them out of the ballpark in terms of delivery (nobody debates his style or poise) but they are devoid of any real substance. However, instead of being sarcastic and pointed, they are bloated with prosaic, "feel good" rhetoric. It's like being at a tent revival, but when you look closely, there's no Good News.

The reason her sarcasm went over so well with many loyalists is because we've all been dying for SOMEONE to say this, but no one had effectively stepped up. She said what so many of us had been thinking. And many of us had about reached our threshold, and--at least I--had begun to lose faith that McCain was ever going to get the job done. For many of us who think Obama is a super nice guy with great oratory skills but delivers a substantively devoid (or, worse, dangerous, when his real agenda is considered) message, Palin offered the call-out we'd been hoping for, after listening to the vectorless "change" drivel for 18 months.

In the end, I guess it's a matter of (1) what you want to hear and (2) what you're willing to tolerate. At both conventions, the speakers were preaching to the choir in terms of an immediate audience. The real test, for everyone, will be when these candidates are in front of live, non-party audiences and have to field questions without a script.

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Holy sh*t.

She's going to completely kick Biden's as$.

I TOTALLY agree.

[Sheherezade]

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That's exactly how a lot of conservatives feel about Obama's speeches--he hits them out of the ballpark in terms of delivery (nobody debates his style or poise) but they are devoid of any real substance. However, instead of being sarcastic and pointed, they are bloated with prosaic, "feel good" rhetoric.

The reason her sarcasm went over so well with many loyalists is because we've all been dying for SOMEONE to say this, but no one had effectively stepped up. She said what so many of us had been thinking. And many of us had about reached our threshold, and--at least I--had begun to lose faith that McCain was ever going to get the job done.

This is an essential difference between the two campaigns. I don't want any more attacks. I'm ready for inspiration, hope and positivity. I like McCain when he's bringing people together - and have grown to dislike him through-out this election season because I feel he's gone nasty and typical. I don't long for an attack or sarcasm from my candidate. :huh: Haven't we had enough of belittling fellow Americans for their beliefs, lifestyle choices, values? Stop. Please. We actually got along for a brief period post 9/11. Can't we have that again?

If the comments about Obama were made in the discussion thread, I'd probably ding SP for personal attacks. ETA: To be fair, I'd probably ding the Obama camp for the stuff about McCain's inability to recall how many houses he and Cindy own.

I (and my husband, FIL, father, mother, etc.) would have looked at him more seriously if he had chosen a moderate VP, but he went with his base. :huh: It's a calculation. I suppose we'll see how it all plays out in the end. I've not been impressed with his ability to "control" the Republican unseen powers. He doesn't seem like McCain from 2000; what's happened? Who's pulling the strings? I don't think he cares about my vote as an independent woman voter. I'm not his target any longer. He's after the base. He will work for them. If he had chosen differently he'd get slammed by conservatives but win more moderates. He had to choose. He did. :huh:

Obama has had a very public battle with the Clintons within the Democratic Party and seems prepared to call the shots in the party. He's setting the tone and it is a civil one. Sorry about the media. That's capitalism and a free press at work. We buy it, they print it. If it didn't sell or get page views, the media would drop it. Should we be regulating that? :huh: That's an entirely different question.

I've been listening to news all day while working from home, so I'm on overload. Bad habit.

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Holy sh*t.

She's going to completely kick Biden's as$.

based on what? she delivered a very sarcastic, condescending speech that she probably didn't write. She did deliver it very well, but she didn't prove that she is knowledgeable on matters of the nation or the globe.

And as far as people being sexist about her - her own party is doing it! I saw a button that said "Hottest VP", and a couple others along those lines. Who does that help?

I"m not sure why it's so crazy to think a state governor could write an impressive speech, whether you liked it or not. You can see video of her other speeches from over the years and this does indeed seem to be her own style. To me that sounds condescending (not that you are trying to be) within it's self, there are smart, capable women out there, who can articulate themselves.

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Also, funniest moment of C-SPAN's coverage was when to they cut to Palin's youngest daughter, who was holding the baby at the time. Daughter vigorously licks her hand, then attempts to slick down baby's hair.

DH and I are SO waiting for the Daily Show/Colbert Report spin on this, it was TOO funny. We were laughing hysterically. Also she was picking at his eyes, or at something on his face. She must be type of little girl who demands to pick out her own clothes

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That's exactly how a lot of conservatives feel about Obama's speeches--he hits them out of the ballpark in terms of delivery (nobody debates his style or poise) but they are devoid of any real substance. However, instead of being sarcastic and pointed, they are bloated with prosaic, "feel good" rhetoric. It's like being at a tent revival, but when you look closely, there's no Good News.

I agree, he gives jabs to the conservatives, - by endorsing people who will loudly do it for him. like... say, Joe Biden. It's tit for tat, they both have to have there "pit bulls" to shake things up and make their base happy. It's... politics.