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    from the Post today:

    Auto Execs Fly Corporate Jets to D.C., Tin Cups in Hand

    By Dana Milbank
    Thursday, November 20, 2008; Page A03

    There are 24 daily nonstop flights from Detroit to the Washington area. Richard Wagoner, Alan Mulally and Robert Nardelli probably should have taken one of them.

    Instead, the chief executives of the Big Three automakers opted to fly their company jets to the capital for their hearings this week before the Senate and House -- an ill-timed display of corporate excess for a trio of executives begging for an additional $25 billion from the public trough this week.

    "There's a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hands," Rep. Gary L. Ackerman (D-N.Y.) advised the pampered executives at a hearing yesterday. "It's almost like seeing a guy show up at the soup kitchen in high-hat and tuxedo. . . . I mean, couldn't you all have downgraded to first class or jet-pooled or something to get here?"

    The Big Three said nothing, which prompted Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) to rub it in. "I'm going to ask the three executives here to raise their hand if they flew here commercial," he said. All still at the witness table. "Second," he continued, "I'm going ask you to raise your hand if you're planning to sell your jet . . . and fly back commercial." More stillness. "Let the record show no hands went up," Sherman grandstanded.

    By now, the men were probably wishing they had driven -- and other members of the House Financial Services Committee weren't done riding the CEOs over their jets. "You traveled in a private jet?" Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez (D-N.Y.) contributed. Rep. Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) felt the need to say that "I'm not an opponent of private flights by any means, but the fact that you flew in on your own private jet at tens of thousands itself dollars of cost just for you to make your way to Washington is a bit arrogant before you ask the taxpayers for money."


    It was a display of stone-cold tone-deafness by the automaker chiefs. In their telling, they have no responsibility for the auto industry's current mess. Threatening the nation with economic Armageddon if they are not given government aid, they spent much of the session declaring what a fine job they've been doing in Detroit.

    "Chrysler really is the quintessential American car company!" Chrysler's Nardelli boasted.

    "We have products that are winning car and truck of the year regularly," General Motors' Wagoner proclaimed.

    "We are equal to or better than Honda and Toyota," Ford's Mulally added. "Every new vehicle that we make, whether it's small, medium or large, is best in fuel efficiency. The given is safety. And we have more, at Ford, more five-star quality and safety ratings than any other automobile."

    Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) cut him off. "Thank you, Mr. --"

    "And the best value!" Mulally blurted out.

    "Commercials can go later," the chairman proposed.

    They would have to go later, because members of the committee wanted to turn the session into a special edition of "Car Talk." Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) spoke of his '99 Jeep: "It probably has about 150,000 miles on it, and it's still running doggone well." Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Tex.) invoked his '98 Jeep Cherokee: "Small problem with the back hatch staying open; we can talk about that afterwards." Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) praised her Chrysler minivan. Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) had good words for her Jeep but complained that it didn't come in a hybrid version.

    "I drive the same '66 Plymouth Valiant that I've always had," Ackerman proffered. He went on to discuss a problem with the GPS system in his Cadillac. "I wanted a loaded car in blue; I had to reach out to five states to find one in blue," he complained.

    It seemed everybody had a car story to tell. Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) let it be known that he was a car dealer for 25 years. Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) disclosed that he had worked at the GM plant in Framingham. Rep. Donald Manzullo (R-Ill.) wanted to see more ads for the car made in his district, while Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) said the Edsel was once made in his home town. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) read from Cicero and held up photos of cars. And Rep. David Scott (D-Ga.) had no car stories to tell but delivered the surprising news that the problem with the Titanic was not its collision with an iceberg.

    Detroit area lawmakers made passionate arguments that the carmakers had already done what "they possibly can to restructure and become globally competitive," as Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) put it.

    But the executives were not helping their own case. When Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.) tried to find out when GM would run out of cash, Wagoner hemmed and hawed until the lawmaker protested that "I don't quite understand what the hell you just told me." When Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) asked about GM's outlook for the quarter, Wagoner informed him that "we don't provide financial guidance in earnings."

    So it was hard to feel sorry for the executives when Rep. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.), late in the hearing, reminded them again that "the symbolism of the private jet is difficult," and mischievously asked the witnesses whether, in another symbolic gesture, they would be willing to work for $1 a year, as Nardelli has offered to do.

    "I don't have a position on that today," demurred Wagoner (2007 total compensation: $15.7 million).

    "I understand the intent, but I think where we are is okay," said Mulally ($21.7 million).

    "I'm asking about you," Roskam pressed.

    "I think I'm okay where I am," Mulally said.

    And don't even think about asking him to fly commercial.

  • #2
    Re: the Big Three....

    I'm leaning bankruptcy more and more.

    Last night I went to a Bunko gathering....and the consensus there was bailout. Weird since the room was mostly Republican - but I think a lot of jobs in Ohio hinge on the auto industry. Also, we are still stinging about the strange takeover of National City (Cleveland bank) by PNC (Pittsburgh bank) using bailout funds meant for National city and PNC. (PNC was given all of it to buy National City - and now all those National city employees are up in the air. (Two people last night worked for National city and have heard nothing about their fate.) Lots of job insecurity in my neck of the woods - and I guess that trumps political ideology sometimes.
    Angie
    Gyn-Onc fellowship survivor - 10 years out of the training years; reluctant suburbanite
    Mom to DS (18) and DD (15) (and many many pets)

    "Where are we going - and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

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    • #3
      Re: the Big Three....

      I'm leaning to bankruptcy as well, I think a bailout will only be more of the same. They will have NO REAL incentive to change anything.
      Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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      • #4
        Re: the Big Three....

        The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.
        I can get behind that. Bankruptcy - with some type of financing available to them on the other side. I'm not sure the government can orer a private industry to lend them the money. Although I suppose that with our new stake in all these banks....we might have some pull. So far, they haven't increased lending much. The auto industry would not make a "safe" loan candidate in this market!
        Angie
        Gyn-Onc fellowship survivor - 10 years out of the training years; reluctant suburbanite
        Mom to DS (18) and DD (15) (and many many pets)

        "Where are we going - and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

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        • #5
          Re: the Big Three....

          I've stayed out of this debate so far because I truly don't know what the right answer is. But it looks increasingly like any of the proposed scenarios are going to be pretty painful.

          I worry for the economy of the state of Michigan (where the unemployment rate is already hovering around 10% ), I worry for the many friends and family members of ours who are directly or indirectly employed by the auto industry, and I worry for my ILs who are recently retired from Ford after giving 30+ years of good faith service (what will happen to their pensions? healthcare?).

          No matter what happens, the ripple effect is going to be wide and deep and the impact will be lasting and painful for everyone. Quite honestly, it scares me. A lot.
          ~Jane

          -Wife of urology attending.
          -SAHM to three great kiddos (2 boys, 1 girl!)

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          • #6
            Re: the Big Three....

            Jane -

            I can only imagine what it must be like in Michigan. Here in Ohio (at least last night) there is a fear of the repercussions from the failure. We have lots of suppliers. In Michigan, you are the front line. It also sucks that the Senators arguing vehemently against this are from southern states that have competing interests (Alabama!). If the Big Three go under, it will benefit them in these hard times. It's not fair that they don't give that disclaimer when they argue about the lousy business practices in the Rust Belt.

            That said, I think a very real problem is the disconnect between upper management and their employees. They honestly don't seem to care about all the jobs that will be lost if they are still pulling in those mega bucks and flying corporate jets while planning to lay off everyone. I think more of this is about punishing that mindset (at the top) than about punishing the labor.

            As for the union contracts, I have always been amazed at the contracts that labor managed to negotiate back in the day. I'm not sure if all that pension money was mismanaged (I suspect it was) but the Big Three are not going to live up to their promises. They didn't think ahead ... in many, many ways.

            I hope new development comes to the Rust Belt soon!!!
            Angie
            Gyn-Onc fellowship survivor - 10 years out of the training years; reluctant suburbanite
            Mom to DS (18) and DD (15) (and many many pets)

            "Where are we going - and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

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            • #7
              Re: the Big Three....

              Actually, I think Romney does have a good answer - and the right one.
              Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
              With fingernails that shine like justice
              And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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              • #8
                Re: the Big Three....

                Isn't the real point here is not that the bailout would keep the Big Three from crashing, but just from it crashing, now. The whole picture as Lily showed so well, is that they are companies not willing to change w/in. This means they will crash, with our tax payer money or not. It IS scary, very scary for the communities who rely on them the most. But as industry is, in with the new out with the old. Look at the railroad industry. Amtrack is kept afloat (maybe not this year but in years past) by heavy government aid. People frankly just don't need the RR anymore as we once did. Same with the Big Three, we don't need big cars etc, so we move on more progressive as a society, they have not.

                I say let them crash and burn. I heard on CNN that the labor workers for the Big Three got better benefits than the management and paper pushers upstairs. Why? - labor unions. So if there is inequality with in the company itself, well, that just points to the issue completely. They are self destructive, so let the flames explode at their costs, maybe their "bailout" should be in raised unemployment funds and college tuition aid in those communities, instead of fuel in their luxury jets.

                just a thought

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