Governement Healthcare...

[Pollyanna]

...idiocy at it's best.

Check out the schematic, makes me want to hurl. Not sure why they have the consumers smiling in this pic.

http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/H...ealth-Plan.pdf


ETA: I was avoiding the news but I keep getting sucked back in...

[HouseofWool]

I took one quick glance and laughed. So very convoluted.

[rainbabies]

i have no idea what i'm looking at.

[fluffhead]

I haven't researched this plan enough to have an opinion, but please note that that diagram was a Republican generated schematic of the Democratic proposal. Of course they're going to make it look convoluted.

[radwife]

That's hillarious! I just saw the same diagram yesterday, someone had left it by the printer! I took a quick photocopy and brought it home to DH. We both got a good laugh out of it.

[ladymoreta]

Health Care Spaghetti! Hehe, that's some impressive Visio work! (Or probably some other software that Congress paid twice as much for...) I like how the only resource Health Care Providers are receiving is "Cultural and Linguistic Competence Training". DH will definitely appreciate that.

Hopefully they just forgot the arrow from the "Public Health Investment Fund" that connects to the "Health Care Providers". I mean, yeah, I like the fact that the "Health Care Good and Services" eventually connects to the "Consumers", but I'd like this to be more of a job/career for my husband than volunteer work.

(Yes, yes, I see that the arrow does go to "Community Health and Care Centers", but that appears to be a black hole where all the money goes in and never seems to come out.)

[Pollyanna]

I haven't researched this plan enough to have an opinion, but please note that that diagram was a Republican generated schematic of the Democratic proposal. Of course they're going to make it look convoluted.

Hey, if the dems have a different schematic I'd love to see it. The only thing they seem to be able to clearly explain is how they are going to raise taxes to make this thing "work" (and I use that term very loosely).

I like how the only resource Health Care Providers are receiving is "Cultural and Linguistic Competence Training". DH will definitely appreciate that.

Dh got so much of this during med school, it was pretty much a joke that some profs felt this was more important than say, learning anatomy.

[GrayMatterWife]

Congress, in all its brilliance, is proposing to carve itself out from the mandatory nationalized healthcare it seeks to inflict upon the rest of us. Classic. Good enough for the little people, but certainly not what they'd want for themselves.

[oceanchild]

Y'know, if the goal is the simplest possible flow chart, just socialize it. Government --> Providers --> Patients



(I stole that from someone else, but it made me laugh.)

[Rapunzel]

Well... After looking at that diagram...

That seems to be par for the course doesn't it?

[Pollyanna]

And a peek at the taxes coming our way. While this is an example of NY I don't think it will be that different across the nation.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162009..._ny_179525.htm


I also cannot believe more physicians are not up in arms about the crap Obama is saying. I have heard him on more than one occasion say, "we are going to make sure your doctors give you the best care not just the most expensive care." It is beyond insulting to say physicians are just giving their patients the most expensive care. It is more plays from the socialist play book about creating class envy. Those "evil doctors" and such. Physician practice and paychecks are not close behind on this slippery slope. I'm also loving how he continues to talk about forming a committee to discuss end of life issues because the medical community won't address them.

[PrincessFiona]

Tara,

If you go over and read the democratic underground it will infuriate you. People actually say things like how they remember the days when those greedy bastard doctors went into medicine for passion and not pay, etc. It is ALL about the evil, evil doctors....and many of them are drooling over the idea that the same people that they want to have come in at 3am to treat them for their abdominal pain, heart attack, indigestion, MVA, etc won't earn as much money doing it. They don't get it.

Be clear. The people who want a public option only and to be rid of insurance companies forever expect the same high level of care, private rooms, CT for every gas pain, and heart valves for 100 year olds...you name it...and the real suck of it is they will get it for awhile because there will be no torte reform. Many doctors DO order unnecessary and expensive tests but it is a cover your ass measure to be sure.

Something needs to change in this country. The poorest of the poor are covered by medicaid (of course many of these are ILLEGAL immigrants who we seem to feel have more rights than our own citizens) and those with good jobs have healthcare insurance. It is largely the middle class that is ignored...that has substandard insurance or none....and the health insurance companies DO have too much power. My chemo buddy had his insurance canceled in the middle of a bone marrow transplant because he hadn't been to work enough days the previous 6 weeks. That should not be possible. There needs to be affordable catastrophic care so that people can have an annual physical and then be covered in the case of cancer or other serious injury or illness. We have to figure that out. It can not be financed on the backs of those who earn more money. That is ridiculous. It is time to figure out where we can cut costs in this country.

But Obama's long, convoluted plan doesn't do that. First, it caters to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and is projected to INCREASE costs instead of decrease them. Second, our congress (And unions) will opt out of this plan that they are creating for everyone else. What? It isn't good enough for them???? Then maybe it isn't good enough for the American public.

This plan is being rushed through and they are attempting to get *something* to claim success. What will the end result be? We will rejoice over *something* and then spend the next 40 years revising it and wondering why it is now the govt. bean counters in control, why costs have risen so much and why taxes are so high...We will start having to cut funding to providers, reduce services....

They want it this way or else they would take their time to get it right before cramming something through.

In my eyes...and I truly believe we need some sort of an affordable, good, public option for people who don't have insurance but need it...this is the beginning of a bad, bad thing.

Kris

my addendum: Our good friends from the UK have had such trouble with their healthcare that it would make you all cringe. Fionnuala was told 2 years ago that she likely had a melanoma and couldn't get an appt. with a dermatologist for months. She came here and Thomas got her in the next day with someone who looked at it and pronounced her healthy....but...what if it HAD been melanoma and she had waited? Her daughter has had UTI's and fevers since she was a toddler. They could NOT get a referral from their GP to a pediatrician or pediatric urlologist (too expensive). Their daughter is 6 and weighs 35 pounds. After years of pounding her fists and being upset she finally got her daughter in to see a pediatrician with the hospital. Test results? Severe kidney reflux with damage to BOTH kidneys now. Their daughter was scheduled for surgery which was then canceled because they didn't have enough beds. It had to be rescheduled. Post-surgery, she has passed some blood and tissue clots. They took their child to the GP who didn't examine the child, told Fionnuala her daughter had a viral infection and ... prescribed ... an antibiotic.

She doesn't have a CHOICE about where she goes and who she sees!!!!!!

Their son, who is 4, starts all-day kindergarten in the Fall (different system). He has a serious speech delay and was identified for intensive speech therapy. There is one speech therapist in their district paid for through the NHS. She is their only choice...the only one. She is from India and speak very poor english. Fionnuala was unable to understand her. Intense speech therapy is 5 sessions over 5 weeks. Daniel still can not make himself understood. There is no funding for speech therapy in the schools. Fionnuala called me and asked me to speek with a speech therapist here for recommendations on what to do and any books she could buy.

Welcome...to the N freakin' H S

Health care does cost money....and when there isn't enough, services get cut...that's how it works.

Kris

[GrayMatterWife]

I'm also loving how he continues to talk about forming a committee to discuss end of life issues because the medical community won't address them.

Maybe he'll get his new Science Czar to lead that discussion. John Holden--the guy who openly advocates for mandatory abortions, sterilizations, and radical population control methods. Yet another "noncontroversial" advisor to the Obama administration that shows how he is "reaching out across the aisle" and that he's so much "bigger than politics." Oh, please. Of course, Holden is another of the "czar" appointments that doesn't require confirmation (ie, public scrutiny). His selection is a lot like Obama's selection of the former EMILY's List president as an advisor in a nonconfirmed position--an indicator of where Obama truly stands (when he doesn't have to pick someone that is a compromise to avoid a public outcry). These kind of selections for advisors show what Obama's bullcrap line about wanting to "reduce the need for abortions" for exactly what it is: misleading. Obama has no interest in reducing abortions (he wants to "reduce the need for abortions"--whatever that means--make birth control free and mandatory?). But he sure has no interest in lowering the number of abortions through curtailing federally subsidized and supported abortions. He thinks that the federal government should radically support abortion rights and access to abortions (how that policy could possible reduce the number of abortions defies logic). By spinning his vernacular, I think he genuinely believes that most people won't notice his vocabulary sleight-of-hand and that he will look caring and emphathic (unless, of course, you care about and have empathy for the fetuses...). (Yeah, love his chronic hijacking of the term "empathy"--in which he means, "sympathetic to my point of view, which clearly is the one that deserves to be supported).

It's not the fact that he's radically pro-abortion rights that bugs me. It's a hotly controversial issue and he's entitled to his view. What bugs me is how disingenuous he is about his stance. Claiming to be in favor of one thing, but acting (through his hiring choices) in the opposite. I know pro-life people who voted for Obama who believed that he was really a closeted "pragmatic" pro-lifer. Seriously. After all, he wanted to "reduce the need for abortion." Uh, no. If anything, he's a population control advocate, and adopts abortion as one of the methods for achieving that goal. But that shouldn't be confused with seeing abortion as a tragedy. He sees it as a utility. Absolutely nothing in his voting or hiring record would suggest that he wants to "reduce the number of abortions" because it is an undesirable act. Which means that he will not reduce the number of abortions if that is not politically expedient to this other goals.

He's so insufferably full of crap--in a really attractive, smooth, slick package. I like him so much less today than I ever did when he was campaigning.

[TulipsAndSunscreen]

It makes me sick. That's all I can say without getting too upset.

[Pollyanna]

It makes me sick. That's all I can say without getting too upset.

I feel the same way. I have to watch the news in bits and pieces so I don't lose my mind. I keep thinking, "is everyone so completely tuned out that they just don't see what is going on?"