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  • #31
    Originally posted by DCJenn View Post
    Well, The Supremes need to have forced retirement. (some sooner than others...)
    You're not the only one who feels this way. Polls have consistently indicated that at least half of Americans believe that the Supreme Court justices should not receive lifetime appointments.

    And the Constitution Party has actually addressed this in its platform. The Constitution does not read (in its "plain language"--as lawyers call it) that Article III judges or justices (which are comprised of the Supremes, US CoA, US Dist Ct, and US Court of IT) are to be appointed "for life." Rather, it provides that an Article III judge or justice is appointed "during good behavior." So, while a Article III judge or justice is always free to retire, the only way to forcibly remove an Article III judge or justice is for the Senate to impeach him upon a showing of bad behavior (essentially, getting caught snorting coke over the body of a dead, underaged hooker, right before leaving to take a bribe). The Constitution Party's platform provides that: "We support Congressional enforcement of the Constitutional rule of good behavior and to restrain judicial activism by properly removing offending judges through the process of impeachment provided for in Article I, § 2 and 3 of the Constitution. Furthermore, Congress must exert the power it possesses to prohibit all federal courts from hearing cases which Congress deems to be outside federal jurisdiction pursuant to Article III, § 2 of the Constitution." Basically, that party would like to see the "good behavior" clause enforced when judges or justices are "activist."

    Personally, I think this is a misguided approach. "Activist" is relative. Conservatives freak-out about "activist" judges and justices when they believe that the court overreads the Constitution. However, if it weren't for activist judges and justices, some of the worst judicial decisions would never be overturned. For example, in 1896, the Supreme Court held in Plessy v. Ferguson that separate-but-equal public accommodations were Constitutionally permitted. It was an awful, patently unconstitutional decision. The Constitution provides no such thing. The Supreme Court overread the Constitution to essentially "make up" the result that was most socially acceptable and paletable for the time. It was not until 1954, with the decision of Brown v. Board of Education, that the Supreme Court reversed course and properly interpreted the Constitution. However, if you REALLY believe that there should be no "activist" decisions, then the Brown Court was wrong. Precedent was clearly established and entrenched under Brown. The justices were absolutely being activist...and they did the right thing. While law professors can Monday night quarterback the specifics of the grounds underlying the reasoning in Brown, but the holding was indisputably correct. But, had the justices relied on precedent and not been activist enough to correct an incorrect holding, Plessy would be the law today.

    If "activist" means interpreting the Constitution to fit whatever the current morality and feelings of the people happen to be, I don't agree with it. You get opinions like Brown. (And the pretty universally derided reasoning--separate from the holding--in Roe.) But if "activist" means being willing to reconsider bad precedent to make it consistent with the Constitution, I think it is necessary.

    But then, that's what scared the crap out of the opponents of Alito and Roberts. They weren't worried about the fact that those guys lean "originalist." They were concerned that those gentlemen were willing to be activist in terms of "correcting" and reconsidering bad precedent--namely, Roe and Casey v. Planned Parenthood and the progeny.

    But whatever. I can't see any real effort to amend the Constitution for purposes of limiting Article III appointments.
    Last edited by GrayMatterWife; 11-05-2010, 10:53 AM.

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    • #32
      This thread sure is meandering through a number of debatable issues....must be my birthday gift from iMSN! I personally think the "activist" equivalent of Roe is the current interpretation of the Second Amendment that recently struck down Chicago's gun law and part of the Brady bill. It overturned previous Supreme Court decisions that held that it was constitutional to make some law concerning gun rights (like the machine gun ban case in the thirties). I think that there is a strong political pressure on the right to be absolutist about gun rights. Just as I think there is a strong political pressure on the left to be absolutist about abortion rights. I don't think the court should be political in these decisions but you could probably write a book about the swings the court has taken in response to culture changes over the last 100 years.
      Angie
      Gyn-Onc fellowship survivor - 10 years out of the training years; reluctant suburbanite
      Mom to DS (18) and DD (15) (and many many pets)

      "Where are we going - and what am I doing in this handbasket?"

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      • #33
        Nancy Pelosi has decided to run for minority leader of the House. The ego of the self-righteous knows no bounds.

        Maybe we'll get more bills that no one (except for the electorate) has read, but must be passed, so that our Congressmen can see what's in them.

        Fine by me. Reid and Pelosi cannot be better targets. They are practically custom-made punchlines.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sheherezade View Post
          Oh -- and I think it was the great oceanchild that said "we already have term limits - they are called elections." I've stolen that line many times since I read it here!
          That was me, but credit goes to my dad.

          I've never understood the argument about not being able to read the bills. Bills have been long for ages. They could make them shorter, but they don't. Legislators make choices of how to spend their time. If they can't be bothered to read bills, that's their choice, and the best we can do as the electorate is vote based on that.
          Julia - legislative process lover and general government nerd, married to a PICU & Medical Ethics attending, raising a toddler son and expecting a baby daughter Oct '16.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by GrayMatterWife View Post
            (essentially, getting caught snorting coke over the body of a dead, underaged hooker, right before leaving to take a bribe).
            Then you get to be the Mayor of DC
            Tara
            Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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            • #36
              OH, SERIOUSLY!!?!?! THIS is why MSNBC decided to suspend Keith Olbermann?? REALLY? THIS is what put them over the edge? It wasn't his complete lack of professionalism as a news anchor (not as a commentator--as an anchor, when he's supposed to be covering the news, not commenting on it). This is what offended them? It wasn't his childishness, his pettiness, or his dull attempts at low-brow snarkiness? Not his atrocious, roundly criticized assault on journalistic integrity last Tuesday? REALLY?

              Who cares who he donated to. It's not like he puts on any pretense of objectiveness in reporting. Calling him a "commentator" then having him report the news sets you both up for problems.

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              MSNBC suspended "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann Friday after the news that he donated to three Democratic candidates.
              "I became aware of Keith's political contributions late last night," MSNBC President Phil Griffin said in a statement. "Mindful of NBC News policy and standards, I have suspended him indefinitely without pay."
              Politico reported Friday that Olbermann gave the maximum individual donation of $2,400 to three candidates in Tuesday's election: Arizona Reps. Gabrielle Giffords and Raul Grijalva and Senate hopeful Jack Conway, who lost in Kentucky to Republican Rand Paul. (Grijalva appeared on Olbermann's "Countdown" on Oct. 28, the same day the host donated to his campaign; Conway was last a guest in May).
              Olbermann, in a statement to Politico, said that he "did not privately or publicly encourage anyone else to donate to these campaigns nor to any others in this election or any previous ones." Also, Olbermann said he had not "previously donated to any political campaign at any level."
              But the revelation raised clear ethical issues.
              Olbermann, a liberal commentator, gives his opinions each night on the air. But NBC News editorial staffers -- like journalists at most news organizations -- are forbidden from giving to political candidates. Also, Olbermann anchored election coverage Tuesday night without disclosing that he'd given to candidates who were running for office.
              By punishing the network's biggest star, Griffin showed how little tolerance there is for hosts to make undisclosed political contributions while covering those political races.
              An MSNBC spokesman told The Upshot that The Nation's Chris Hayes, an MSNBC contributor who has filled in before for Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, will host Friday night's show. Hayes has spoken publicly before about donating $250 to a friend's Congressional campaign in Alabama earlier this year.
              MSNBC already attracted criticism this week for having its liberal hosts and commentators anchor election night coverage. Typically, nonpartisan journalists anchor major news events—such as election results—while commentators like Bill O'Reilly (Fox News) or James Carville (CNN) offer analysis.
              It's ironic that Olbermann gave to political candidates after criticizing Fox News because its owner, Rupert Murdoch, gave $1 million donation to the Republican Governors Association. "Fox News has put its money where its mouth is," Olbermann said in an August segment that questioned the network's impartiality.
              In October, Olbermann again raised the issue of Murdoch's donations, during an interview with Democratic Rep. James Clyburn. Olbermann asked whether there was "a legislative response to the idea that there is a national cable news outlet that goes beyond having a point of view and actually starts to shill for partisan causes and actually starts to donate to partisan groups of one party."
              (Photo of Olbermann in May 2007: AP /Mark J. Terrill, File)

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              • #37
                Well, they had to suspend him simply based on the fact that he donated to Giffords and Grijalva (he actually encouraged and supported the boycott of AZ). Quit possibly the two biggest idiots on the planet, next to Keith Olberman of course.
                Tara
                Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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                • #38
                  I feel so privileged that we live in a country where we can vote. When our congress has a less then 20% approval rate we are not stuck with them forever. But, we can vote those out that weren't doing their jobs.
                  Honestly I believe that those that were voted out deserved what they got. In our real world when we do not do our job we are fired. I think some of our representatives forgot that they work for us and not the other way around. I hope with the change that happened on Tuesday that our new and old representatives will remember they are in DC to work and help us as Americans and not the other way around.

                  p.s. I live in Oregon and here will they re-elect a governor that quit during his previous term. Calling Oregon ungovernable.

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                  • #39


                    Nancy Pelosi has decided to run for minority leader of the House. The ego of the self-righteous knows no bounds.
                    Blech...I wish she would just go away. She just makes it even harder for both sides to get along.
                    Married to a newly minted Pediatric Rad, momma to a sweet girl and a bunch of (mostly) cute boy monsters.



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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jasonsmommy View Post
                      p.s. I live in Oregon and here will they re-elect a governor that quit during his previous term. Calling Oregon ungovernable.
                      So, I guess if Palin's current gig of endorsing candidates, giving folksy speeches, and being a reality TV star doesn't pan out, she can get her old job back.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by SoonerTexan View Post



                        Blech...I wish she would just go away. She just makes it even harder for both sides to get along.
                        The problem is that she's not good at what she does. She's not a good frontman. The job of the Speaker was to sell the ideas in the bills to the public and garner public support. It was to be the face of the legislation. All anyone associates with her is strongarming and midnight, underhanded tactics that resulted in unpopular legislation. She may have rammed through legislation, but that doesn't make her a good Speaker. She would have been a good Dem whip. Behind the scenes, cutting deals and corralling votes. Basically, she would have been a good bully and mafia-like enforcer.

                        I bet she'll win the Dem minority leader position. The House Dems are a much more liberal bunch post-election.

                        I don't know. Maybe part of her problem lay in her physical appearance. She has that phoney-baloney face lift and constant "eyes wide open!!" look...it just makes her really irritating. Her appearance alone works against her. Couple that with her dismissive gestures and brusque deafness to anyone who opposes her, and she just does not seem like a leader among rivals. She seems like a leader among the like-leaning.

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                        • #42
                          Hey, did anyone else hear that HRC announced today that she would, most definitely, never run for the Presidency. She will never seek the Democratic nomination again.

                          Not sure how I feel about that. I think she would have been a better President than Obama (not that I would have voted for her unless the Rep nominee was just completely unacceptable), and I think the looming threat of her possibly challenging him in the primary might have pushed him toward the center. I hope he keeps her on as SoS. She's the only one with balls in the whole administration.

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