Ann Coulter. Wow.

that was me, (jesher). I keep getting logged out for some reason.

[Laker]

I am not sure that any republican/conservative or anyone on this board ever said war is wonderful and a fun activity. Please provide a link.

For the record, I don't think war is fun, rather a necessity at times. I think our major disagreement is when it is a necessity and when it isn't.

[DCJenn]

Bill's woman is a 26 YO rap starlet, but I can't remember her name, if that helps the search engines...

Jenn

[Rapunzel]

I had a sincere question. It's laughable that Jesher of all people would demand an apology.

If I had a loved one who I felt was going to be placed into harms way for immoral purposes I would definitely do everything within my power to try to remove them from that situation.

I had a valid, logical question based on the idea that an ounce of prevention being worth more than a pound of cure.

And, really, Angie - Ann Coulter is crude and vulgar. Of all the posters on this site that is not my own style.

[Rapunzel]

Wow. That's just about the most insulting thing you've ever said to me. I think that's worse than the time that you insinuated that my husband was not a good pediatrician because we did not (yet) have children. Or the time that you suggested that I be "fired" as an admin because I used curse words on an adult forum.

Jenn

PS- for the record, my husband, the decorated former enlisted 82nd Airborne soldier who attended the military medical university and has just completed his sixth year of medical training in the United States Army is married to a registered Democrat who happens to find the War to be a mistake. The morally reprehensible statement was in regard to Ann Coulter. Although I'm pretty sure there's at least one other person I'd throw in that pool now.

If you choose to be insulted by a sincere question then that is your choice. You made a strong statement and I asked for more information on your feelings and actions on the subject. It's a petty thing to find insult in someone asking you a question.

[Rapunzel]

Now, here is what I was asking a question in regard to:

Jloriene stated:

"...and to be honest, let me all just lay it all out for you guys: I'm anti-Bush, anti Iraq war (although now that we're there, we're stuck for the long term) and if God Forbid, my husband has a hair on his head harmed when (not if) he is deployed, I will make the 9-11 widows look sane, calm and conservative. "


And, I wanted to know why she wouldn't want to remove him from what she clearly sees as a morally reprehensible situation before something awful happened to him.

Sheesh.

[Rapunzel]

Well, I'm at a loss as to how the question was insulting to begin with. She stated something and I asked her for further information. It was fairly straight-forward.

I can't remember the last time I got terribly disturbed or upset by someone asking me a question - even a tough one.

Well, I'm at a loss as to how the question was insulting to begin with.

I know! I know!! I think it was this:

And this:

Sheesh.

And the fact that Jenn didn't join the Army. So really, the decision of whether to remain in is her husband's, as it was his to initially join. She probably does want to remove him, hell, I want to remove him, but somebody's got to do W's fighting, and this is just one more instance in which I wouldn't trust Rove or Cheney to do it (I think I just digressed).

My point: Even if you didn't intend to be mean-spirited, that is how you came across. Just because you preface an irrelevant and offensive question with "Don't be offended, but..." doesn't make it inoffensive or remotely "logical". You were out of line, Rapunzel and, once again, entirely sophomoric in your debate decorum. I agree with Momof4 that it invalidates your argument when you resort to indignant, personal, unnecessary remarks.

PS: Jenn, sorry if I'm stepping on your toes here. I know you can hold your ground perfectly well and are probably already past this blip. I was just reading it for the first time and felt compelled to react.

I had a sincere question. It's laughable that Jesher of all people would demand an apology.

Cearly I'm not the only one.

[mommax3]

Even if you don't understand why your question was insulting, (you rarely do) if someone states that they have been insulted, good manners requires that you apologize and then clarify yourself if your intent wasn't to insult.

Rapunzel wrote:
I had a sincere question. It's laughable that Jesher of all people would demand an apology.

The above statement, just so you know, is insulting.

I can't remember the last time I got terribly disturbed or upset by someone asking me a question - even a tough one.

Maybe not, but you do tend to "disappear" when someone makes a point that you can't counter in a debate situation, which is cowardly imo. Ironically enough, by insinuating that Jenn should encourage her husband to use any means necessary to get out of the military because she (and perhaps he) doesn't agree with the reasons we went to war, you are encouraging that same strategy. It takes a true patriot to say they will, if need be, die for their country, (God forbid) even if they don't agree with the reasons for fighting.

Sally

[Rapunzel]

Well, I'm at a loss as to how the question was insulting to begin with.

I know! I know!! I think it was this:

[quote:e6775]

And this:

Sheesh.

And the fact that Jenn didn't join the Army. So really, the decision of whether to remain in is her husband's, as it was his to initially join. She probably does want to remove him, hell, I want to remove him, but somebody's got to do W's fighting, and this is just one more instance in which I wouldn't trust Rove or Cheney to do it (I think I just digressed).

My point: Even if you didn't intend to be mean-spirited, that is how you came across. Just because you preface an irrelevant and offensive question with "Don't be offended, but..." doesn't make it inoffensive or remotely "logical". You were out of line, Rapunzel and, once again, entirely sophomoric in your debate decorum. I agree with Momof4 that it invalidates your argument when you resort to indignant, personal, unnecessary remarks.

PS: Jenn, sorry if I'm stepping on your toes here. I know you can hold your ground perfectly well and are probably already past this blip. I was just reading it for the first time and felt compelled to react.[/quote:e6775]

Way to keep up with this. First of all, I did not say, "Don't be offended, but..." because I didn't think it was offensive to ask someone a question about their feelings on their husband's job. I know I've been asked before why I don't ask my husband to just leave medicine on the hard days and I don't become offended by that. We all set our own "insult" level. And, if you want to find something to be insulted by - you always will.

And, I DID roll my eyes. AT THE HYSTERICS that ensued by me asking a question elaborating on a statement. You didn't seem to catch that jloreine began claiming to be insulted first and then I rolled my eyes.

And, for the record - I WAS NOT MAKING AN ARGUMENT FOR GOODNESS' SAKE! I was just asking a question. There was no argument to be made. My husband is ALSO military and I am always curious as to the various conundrums people face in this life.

[Rapunzel]

Even if you don't understand why your question was insulting, (you rarely do) if someone states that they have been insulted, good manners requires that you apologize and then clarify yourself if your intent wasn't to insult.

Rapunzel wrote:
I had a sincere question. It's laughable that Jesher of all people would demand an apology.

The above statement, just so you know, is insulting.



[quote:9494f]I can't remember the last time I got terribly disturbed or upset by someone asking me a question - even a tough one.

Maybe not, but you do tend to "disappear" when someone makes a point that you can't counter in a debate situation, which is cowardly imo. Ironically enough, by insinuating that Jenn should encourage her husband to use any means necessary to get out of the military because she (and perhaps he) doesn't agree with the reasons we went to war, you are encouraging that same strategy. It takes a true patriot to say they will, if need be, die for their country, (God forbid) even if they don't agree with the reasons for fighting.

Sally[/quote:9494f]

Sally, again, for the record, I WAS NOT MAKING A "POINT". I WAS ASKING A QUESTION. I'm not disappearing. And, I am annoyed at the absolute hysterics here.

Jloreine stated that if something happened to her husband (physically) she would basically become a very, very vocal political activist because of her anger. She made it very plain that she thinks our current military actions are wrong and even immoral.

Now, I, having a husband in a similar situation who will be going to Iraq I wager, was curious as to why she would not encourage her husband to get out of that situation for moral reasons. After all, there is such a thing as a consciencious objector (that, I assume, would result in a dishonorable discharge - but the person involved would be sticking to their principles). AND, more importantly, the loved one would be out of harm's way (an important point since jloreine stated that her husband being harmed would be what would make her so angry).

Where is the offense in that? Is curiosity suddenly a bad thing?

[Rapunzel]

Several people have alluded to a "point" that I was trying to make.

Please, somebody: Clue me in to the point I was trying to make because I certainly don't know what it is!!

[Rapunzel]

I had a sincere question. It's laughable that Jesher of all people would demand an apology.

Cearly I'm not the only one.

No, you're not the only one. It's interesting that I've heard several "versions" of why others believe jloreine so quickly chose to be insulted but I haven't heard much from the horse's mouth. What I'm seeing here is that she decided to declare herself insulted by my question and then everyone who decided to post afterwards agreed with her (without necessarily knowing what they were agreeing with - because I'm getting different versions of what was so insulting by my asking a question).

Is this just a case of lemmings running off the cliff or what?

[Gwendolyn]

and if God Forbid, my husband has a hair on his head harmed when (not if) he is deployed, I will make the 9-11 widows look sane, calm and conservative.

Then why don't you encourage him to get a dishonorable discharge? If it's really so morally reprehensible that he do his job in the military why not insist he get out by any means possible before he gets hurt doing it?

It really is a page out of Ann's book...say something inflammatory and then claim hysterics when the other party reacts in a reasonable way.

In the midst of a conversation about the 9/11 widows you attacked the honor of a family on this board in a personal way. I might be willing to buy that you actually are this oblivious, but, really? This was an insulting statement.