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  • Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

    I was rambling in my blog and thought "maybe I should post this in a separate post and get some opinions...."

    So here goes....it's just cut and pasted from my blog....with some add'l info at the end.

    With regards to the clinic and my job. I want to ask for a raise....but I've never done that before and I don't really know how to do it. I've put a call to one of my best vet friends (who is in San Antonio right now for a conference - I tried to go Jenn but couldn't bear the 8-ish hour drive right now)....I'm hoping she can help me work through this. I pulled the numbers and while I'm not an overall big producer at the clinic, I do have the highest "average client transaction" by a good margin....my problem is just that I don't see as many clients as everyone else. Partly because of my hours and partly because I'm the new guy. I've been there a year now and do have a few of my own clients now....people who always request me....and I'm building that....there isn't a good way to track that in the computer though....it's people who ask for me when they get there....the chart isn't flagged or anything. And I've definitely brought a lot to the clinic. I've updated some standard procedures (like IVs during anesthesia) which bring the clinic money....I also recently made a pain med switch and an anesthetic protocol switch that should save the clinic money as well (while improving patient care). I have gotten them to spend some too, but part of it is the fact that things needed to be updated, and my squeaky wheel was enough to move things forward! I worry that if it's not well received, I might make waves for myself... I could probably find another vet job pretty easily....but I probably would have to start over in updating another practice....I'm finally getting these techs trained well! I also worry that I want more money, but at the same time I'll be taking a few months off for maternity. I don't have a contract (kinda scary both ways I know)....and I don't get benefits (they do pay some association dues and my malpractice insurance)....and I won't get paid maternity leave.....I just get paid hourly. I feel like I should get something for inflation each year right? I don't know.

    I work 20 hours a week....sometimes more if they need me or to cover for the other vets. I'm paid by the hour. I don't clock in and out....so sometimes (ok oftentimes) I'm there more than 20 hours/week that I'm not compensated for.....I probably could just "leave" but I like to make sure my work is done and there isn't any confusion about transfer of care, etc. And I won't leave an animal intubated without a doctor in the building.

    My maternity plan is to take Jan, Feb and March off. I plan to work until 38/39 weeks provided my health/BP is fine. I still do surgery, but I don't take xrays now that I'm pregnant. We don't do chemo at our clinic, so no probs there as far as decreased duties goes. My role/responsibilities haven't changed much since becoming pregnant. I was training the techs to take films on their own anyways.

    I'm thinking about a 10% per hour increase.

    There are 2 old timers (dad and old guy) at the clinic and another "new" grad (son) like me (we're both 2005 grads). The 2 old timers (dad and old guy) owned the practice last year, the other "new" grad (son) bought the practice from one of the old timers (old guy)..effective Jan 1st, 2008...and the old timer (old guy) now works part time (~24h/wk). The FTers (dad and son) work about 40h/wk. The two old guys (obviously) have the most "private" clients....the son has been there 2 years longer than me and of course knows people b/c he's the son and has been there longer. I'm totally the new guy, but I'm building.

    Last year when the two old timers were both FT, they saw about 30% of the patients each. The son (FT) saw about 20% and I (PT) saw 6%.

    So far this year, the FT dad saw ~34%, the PT old guy saw ~22%, the FT son saw ~18% and I've seen 10%....so I'm definitely gaining.

    Also the avg transaction fee (amount the client spends/visit)....I'm higher by $20-30...everyone else is within $10 of each other and I am consistently $20 above the leader and this past 5 months have been $30 over the leader. So I get people to spend more than everyone else. (You all know me, so you probably already get that I'm not trying to screw people out of their money and wasting it on their pets.....my bills are higher because I do extra testing/pain meds/IVs that I feel are essential to proper patient care....I don't just give a steroid/antibiotic/vitamin combo shot.....I culture for the right antibiotic, I do blood testing to look for kidney/liver/etc disease.....I take xrays to rule out obstructions/masses/broken bones/heart/lung problems...which the other vets don't always do.)

    As far as the contract, I've signed nothing but the W2/tax paper thing....We agreed on a schedule and an hourly wage and shook on it. When we changed my schedule, I proposed part of the change, he adjusted it and we just agreed on it. When I told him (the dad handles everything) I was pregnant he asked what I was thinking for leave. I told him 3 months, but I wasn't totally sure...it depended on the circumstances (like if I have another early NICU babe, I will want more leave). If I want something like CE or association dues covered, I just ask if they are planning on covering it or if I should. Usually they just cover it. I paid for my DEA licensure. So nothing is set really. When I want days off, I just ask and I usually get them with no problems....like the 3 weeks I took last summer.


    I guess the reasons I'm worried is that Russ said yeah ask....they worst they can say is no. I don't want a stigma that I think I deserve more or something even though I do. My mom says don't ask, don't rock the boat, you are only there 2 more years and you're going on maternity leave soon....I also want an outside opinion if it sounds like I'm worthy of a raise. Or maybe I need to prove x, y, z before or whatever.

    This is sooo something they don't really teach in vet school....nor is it something I ever dealt with before vet school...(hello, high school to college to vet school to unpaid internship to this.....this is my first real job!). In high school my boss just doled out raises as he saw fit...and I got one every few months....I really didn't have any other jobs after that (waited a few tables, did some nannying, that's it). So I feel like such a little kid when it comes to this stuff.

    Anyway, if you've made it through this diatribe, I'd appreciate any advice or suggestions.
    Mom of 3, Veterinarian

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    Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

    I would think if you're seeing about the same number of patients per hour and you're bringing in more money per patient, you should probably get paid more per hour (is everyone paid by the hour, or is it just you?).

    I'm not sure you should listen to me, though. My first job out of college was at Intel, where there's an annual ranking and rating system where each department is told how much money they have for raises, everybody submits their "brag sheet" saying how wonderful they did this year, and the bosses get together and justify to each other why their people should get more of the raise money. No asking involved, it just happens every year.

    Now that I'm in a smaller company (been here just over a year), I'm in a similar bind - I have no experience asking for raises at all, but they don't have any kind of formal system in place here, so eventually I'm going to have to. It sucks.
    Sandy
    Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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    • #3
      Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

      I have ZERO idea what the others make. I do think that the old timers have probably been overpaid b/c it seems like they can afford to remodel their own homes with granite etc but the clinic can't afford a new autoclave (ok so hey did just buy a new one but it was a MAJOR ordeal) or a blood machine....and the same wallpaper/color scheme/carpet (ewwww in a vet clinic??) since 1986 when the clinic opened.
      Mom of 3, Veterinarian

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      • #4
        Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

        Originally posted by Michele
        ...and the same wallpaper/color scheme/carpet (ewwww in a vet clinic??) since 1986 when the clinic opened.
        They have carpet?! Wall to wall carpet? Really? In a vet clinic? Where all sorts of pets are nervous and sick?! I don't think I've ever been in a vet clinic that had carpet anywhere. Area-rug type things, yes, but not carpet.

        *shudder*

        I would say if they're supporting themselves nicely even on part-time work, I wouldn't feel badly about asking for a raise. You didn't say if you see the same number of patients per hour as the others, but if you do, I'm willing to bet if you point out that you bring in way more money per hour worked than any of the rest of them, you ought to be able to get them to cough up a little extra per hour. Absolute worst case, they make life miserable just because you asked, and you find a better clinic to work at with attitudes more in line with your own. I'm sure they're not the ONLY ones who would let you have flexible part-time hours, and unless you go way far away, you'll be bringing some of your loyal patients with you if you move, too.

        But again, I talk a good game when it's not myself. I know it's a hell of a lot harder to actually do.
        Sandy
        Wife of EM Attending, Web Programmer, mom to one older lady scaredy-cat and one sweet-but-dumb younger boy kitty

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        • #5
          Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

          Ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You deserve it in my opinion. It doesn't sound like they would hold a grudge if they don't agree on a raise.
          Luanne
          wife, mother, nurse practitioner

          "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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          • #6
            Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

            Originally posted by lionbride
            Ok, I have a degree in business and this is what I remember them telling me about how to ask for a raise.

            Write out a list of all the things you have done and accomplished while working at the clinic (you have a really good list above!) Make sure and mention all the times you went above and beyond the call of duty. If you have notes or thanks you letters from "pet parents" make sure and bring those to show as well.

            When you are presenting the proposal for a raise to your boss, make sure you realize that you have to sell yourself. Its like interviewing all over again. Make sure and let them know how much you enjoy working there. Be confident.

            I hope this helps. This has helped me in the past when getting reviewed and I've always gotten a raise when I was well prepared to defended my deserving one.

            And like your DH says, worse thing they can say is no. It never hurts to ask
            Yup, this is exactly how I was told to ask, not that I've done a great job doing what I preach. If they like you overall, they'll probably go for it, after all, you're only asking for $2 extra.

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            • #7
              Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

              Originally posted by poky
              Originally posted by Michele
              ...and the same wallpaper/color scheme/carpet (ewwww in a vet clinic??) since 1986 when the clinic opened.
              They have carpet?! Wall to wall carpet? Really? In a vet clinic? Where all sorts of pets are nervous and sick?! I don't think I've ever been in a vet clinic that had carpet anywhere. Area-rug type things, yes, but not carpet.

              *shudder*



              :horror:

              Good luck, Michele! It never hurts to ask but it is easier said than done. bam, two cliches in one sentence.

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              • #8
                Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

                Culture the carpet, show then the results and assure them they need you to bring them out of the dark ages!
                Luanne
                wife, mother, nurse practitioner

                "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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                • #9
                  Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

                  I went to a lecture here at my school a couple of months back. One of the main sessions was about women and the art of negotiating.

                  The speaker spoke about two books that she co-authored. The lecture was fascinating. As staff members, we actually got the two books for free. Well, our office got them for free. Our office is four women and the books are being slowly passed around as we all read them.

                  The one book is "Ask for It: How Women Can Use the Power of Negotiation to Get What They Really Want" by Linda Babcock and Sara Laschever.
                  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Ask-fo ... 751/?itm=9

                  The other book is "Women Don't Ask: The High Cost of Avoiding Negotiation--and Positive Strategies for Change" by Linda Babcock and Sara Laschever.
                  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Women- ... 874/?itm=1

                  My co-workers said that the first book is a little bit more readable, the second has a little bit more statistics in it. Statistics are good in our world, we can use them in presentations for our department about how women are still not on equal footing with men.

                  Good luck with your negotiations!
                  Event coordinator, wife and therapist to a peds attending

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

                    So did you ask? How did it go?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Should I/How do I ask for a raise....

                      We've been busy dealing with other issues (see the biting thread).

                      The carpet isn't wall to wall, but there is some in a dog heavy area.....my dog has even peed on it. It's nasty.

                      I haven't asked yet. I did talk with my vet friend and she thinks I should definitely ask. We looked at production and I don't produce enough to even justify my current salary....but as she pointed out, I'm not working at full potential either. Some days I only see 1 or 2 patients the entire time I'm there (4 hours)....I probably could see at least 4-6 patients an hour and 2-3 spays an hour if I had the tech support and the caseload. So I guess they are paying me what is reasonable to keep me. So I definitely should ask for more!

                      Another thing I noticed this past week is how much they use me as a consult service! I'm like their in-house IM specialist and ClinPath specialist....so I'm feeling the worth....I just need to balls up and ask.

                      I plan to this week. I know you have to take emotion out of it and just ask.....but I'm a weeny sometimes. I'll update when it's done.
                      Mom of 3, Veterinarian

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