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  • "You just don't understand."

    I thought this was an interesting article, so I wanted to share it with you. As I was reading it, I had to admit I would have reacted the same way as some of the women. But understanding different ways of communicating will probably help me avoid conflicts in the future.

    Does any of this ever happen to you?

    "Can't We Talk?" (condensed from: You Just Don't Understand)

    by Deborah Tannen

    A married couple was in a car when the wife turned to her husband and asked, "Would you like to stop for a coffee?"

    "No, thanks," he answered truthfully. So they didn't stop.

    The result? The wife, who had indeed wanted to stop, became annoyed because she felt her preference had not been considered. The husband, seeing his wife was angry, became frustrated. Why didn't she just say what she wanted?

    Unfortunately, he failed to see that his wife was asking the question not to get an instant decision, but to begin a negotiation. And the woman didn't realize that when her husband said no, he was just expressing his preference, not making a ruling. When a man and woman interpret the same interchange in such conflicting ways, it's no wonder they can find themselves leveling angry charges of selfishness and obstinacy at each other.

    As a specialist in linguistics, I have studied how the conversational styles of men and women differ. We cannot lump all men or all women into fixed categories. But the seemingly senseless misunderstandings that haunt our relationships can in part be explained by the different conversational rules by which men and women play.

    Whenever I write or speak about this subject, people tell me they are relieved to learn that what has caused them trouble - and what they had previously ascribed to personal failings - is, in fact, very common.

    Learning about the different though equally valid conversational frequencies men and women are tuned to can help banish the blame and help us truly talk to one another. Here are some of the most common areas of conflict:

    Status vs. Support.

    Men grow up in a world in which a conversation is often a contest, either to achieve the upper hand or to prevent other people from pushing them around. For women, however, talking is often a way to exchange confirmation and support.

    I saw this when my husband and I had jobs in different cities. People frequently made comments like, "That must be rough," and "How do you stand it?" I accepted their sympathy and sometimes even reinforced it, saying, "The worst part is having to pack and unpack al the time."

    But my husband often reacted with irritation. Our situation had advantages, he would explain. As academics, we had four-day weekends together, as well as long vacations throughout the year and four months in the summer.

    Everything he said was true, but I didn't understand why he chose to say it. He told me that some of the comments implied: "Yours is not a real marriage. I am superior to you because my wife and I have avoided your misfortune." Until then it had not occurred to me there might be an element of one- upmanship.

    I now see that my husband was simply approaching the world as many men do: as a place where people try to achieve and maintain status. I, on the other hand, was approaching the world as many women do: as a network of connections seeking support and consensus.

    Independence vs. Intimacy.

    Since women often think in terms of closeness and support, they struggle to preserve intimacy. Men, concerned with status, tend to focus more on independence. These traits can lead women and men to starkly different views of the same situation.

    When Josh's old high-school friend called him at work to say he'd be in town, Josh invited him to stay for the weekend. That evening he told Linda they were having a house guest.

    Linda was upset. How could Josh make these plans without discussing them with her beforehand? She would never do that to him. "Why don't you tell your friend you have to check with your wife?" she asked.

    Josh replied, "I can't tell my friend, 'I have to ask my wife for permission'!"

    To Josh, checking with his wife would mean he was not free to act on his own. It would make him feel like a child or an underling. But Linda actually enjoys telling someone, "I have to check with Josh." It makes her feel good to show that her life is intertwined with her husband's.

    Advice vs. Understanding.

    Eve had a benign lump removed from her breast. When she confided to her husband, Mark, that she was distressed because the stitches changed the contour of her breast, he answered, "You can always have plastic surgery."

    This comment bothered her. "I'm sorry you don't like the way it looks," she protested. "But I'm not having any more surgery!"

    Mark was hurt and puzzled. "I don't care about a scar," he replied. "It doesn't bother me at all."

    "Then why are you telling me to have plastic surgery?" she asked.

    "Because you were upset about the way it looks."

    Eve felt like a heel. Mark had been wonderfully supportive throughout her surgery. How could she snap at him now?

    The problem stemmed from a difference in approach. To many men a complaint is a challenge to come up with a solution. Mark thought he was reassuring Eve by telling her there was something she could do about her scar. But often women are looking for emotional support, not solutions.

    When my mother tells my father she doesn't feel well, he invariably offers to take her to the doctor. Invariably, she is disappointed with his reaction. Like many men, he is focused on what he can do, whereas she wants sympathy.

    Information vs. Feelings.

    A cartoon shows a husband opening a newspaper and asking his wife, "Is there anything you'd like to say to me before I start reading the paper?" We know there isn't - but that as soon as the man begins reading, his wife will think of something.

    The cartoon is funny because people recognize their own experience in it. What's not funny is that many women are hurt when men don't talk to them at home, and many men are frustrated when they disappoint their partners without knowing why.

    Rebecca, who is happily married, told me this is a source of dissatisfaction with her husband, Stuart. When she tells him what she is thinking, he listens silently. When she asks him what is on his mind, he says, "Nothing."

    All Rebecca's life she has had practice in verbalizing her feelings with friends and relatives. But Stuart has had practice in keeping his innermost thoughts to himself. To him, like most men, talk is information. He doesn't feel that talk is required at home.

    Yet many such men hold center stage in a social setting, telling jokes and stories. They use conversation to claim attention and to entertain. Women can wind up hurt that their husbands tell relative strangers things they have not told them.

    To avoid this kind of misunderstanding, both men and women can make adjustments. A woman may observe a man's desire to read the paper without seeing it is a rejection. And a man can understand a woman's desire to talk without feeling it is a manipulative intrusion.

    Orders vs. Proposals.

    Diana often begins statements with "Let's." She might say "Let's park over there" or "Let's clean up now, before lunch."

    This makes Nathan angry. He has deciphered Diana's "Let's" as a command. Like most men, he resists being told what to do. But to Diana, she is making suggestions, not demands. Like most women, she formulates her requests as proposals rather than orders. Her style of talking is a way of getting others to do what she wants - but by winning agreement first.

    With certain men, like Nathan, this tactic backfires. If they perceive someone is trying to get them to do something indirectly, they feel manipulated and respond more resentfully than they would to a straightforward request.

    Conflict vs. Compromise.

    In trying to prevent fights, some women refuse to oppose the will of others openly. But sometimes it's far more effective for a woman to assert herself, even at the risk of conflict.

    Dora was frustrated by a series of used cars she drove. It was she who commuted to work, but her husband, Hank, who chose the cars. Hank always went for cars that were "interesting" but in continual need of repair.

    After Dora was nearly killed when her brakes failed, they were in the market for yet another used car. Dora wanted to buy a late-model sedan from a friend. Hank fixed his sights on a 15-year-old sports car. She tried to persuade Hank that it made more sense to buy the boring but dependable car, but he would not be swayed.

    Previously she would have acceded to his wishes. This time Dora bought the boring but dependable car and steeled herself for Hanks' anger. To her amazement, he spoke not a word of remonstrance. When she later told him what she had expected, he scoffed at her fears and said she should have done what she wanted from the start if she felt that strongly about it.

    As Dora discovered, a little conflict won't kill you. At the same time, men who habitually oppose others can adjust their style to opt for less confrontation.

    When we don't see style differences for what they are, we sometimes draw unfair conclusions: "You're illogical," "You're self- centered," "You don't care about me." But once we grasp the two characteristic approaches, we stand a better chance of preventing disagreements from spiraling out of control.

    Learning the other's ways of talking is a leap across the communication gap between men and women, and a giant step towards genuine understanding.

  • #2
    Re: "You just don't understand."

    Crazy women and their fancy convoluted ways of talking...

    Yes, this is a frequent problem between Mich and I.

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    • #3
      Re: "You just don't understand."

      Originally posted by monkey7247
      Crazy women and their fancy convoluted ways of talking...

      Yes, this is a frequent problem between Mich and I.



      I'd say we've gotten much better now that we're well rested and not dealing with the smelly pile of residency. Residency just sucks the life out of you so when you do have time to talk and work on an issue, you're exhausted and your ability to be flexible is a bit stunted. (...or maybe this was just us??)

      When DH pulls his "my communication style is different from yours" I now get that he's making an observation. A few years ago I saw it as a HUGE cop out -- AND a criticism because in the past when he said it, he was SO frustrated I could see steam coming out of his ears!!! His "style" seems so cold and calculated -- completely void of any emotion except frustration! Now I know that this is how he solves problems. Conflict in a marriage is a problem...that needs to be solved. He was completely :huh: when I just wanted to vent once in a while and have him say :therethere: :therethere: .

      With that being said, DH often comments "I'm not trying to be a dick here. I really don't understand what you are saying. Can you be more specific?" That's code for, "Hey, I really want to get you on this topic and I'm failing miserably. Can you help me out a little? I'm really trying because I care about this and I care about you."

      He has a hard time talking about feelings and vibes. He wants to know the facts. He understands cause and effect. He thinks his job as a "trusted" partner is to be honest -- all the time. If I think I look nice when we're going out and take some extra time, I cringe when he comments because he's such a box of rocks sometimes. He equates things. :huh:

      For example, he'll say, that blue shirt is pretty but the white sweater or black halter is more sophisticated. (Um, yeah this isn't really a sophisticated evening dear. We're going to watch football and eat beer nuts!? So, I end up thinking I look nice BUT..... ) His filter needs work.

      In the distant past DH went into any discussion as if he needed "to win." It was awful because I'm EXTREMELY competitive -- you want to "throw down big boy and NOT be a grown up? Let's go. I'm MORE than a match for you." Granted this was during the 100+ days when we never saw eachother but we were completely immature when dealing with conflict.

      Thankfully this is in the past.

      I wish there was a "magic communication manual" for marriage that worked a 100%.
      Flynn

      Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

      “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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      • #4
        Re: "You just don't understand."

        Communication....
        I do the "Are you hungry?" (Translation: I'm hungry)
        "Do you want to see a movie tonight?" (Translation: I want to see a movie)
        "Do you *really* want to see a movie tonight?" (Translation: Do we really have time for a movie?)

        Dh does not mince his words. He's very direct and he never softens the blow. We once spoke about this, and I told him he's going to have to do a bit of padding, so that his statements don't come off as rude. He told me that if we're married, then there should be no ridiculous communication games. :huh: We're trying to find middle ground, because I still use the examples above to express what I want. When hears questions such as "Are you hungry?" he responds, "you're hungry. Let's find you something to eat."
        married to an anesthesia attending

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        • #5
          Re: "You just don't understand."

          I've learned just to ask for help when I need it, to tell him what I need done and to never assume he understands what the hell I'm talking about.

          I used to say things like, "do you think you could vacuum?". Now I'm likely to say, "the laundry needs to be done and the house needs to be vacuumed, which one do you want to do?"

          I've stopped asking him how I look because he truly doesn't know. He'll tell me that I look fine if I'm wearing a garbage bag and my leopard print birks. He hates make-up so I've stopped asking him anything if I get dressed up, either because I'll hear about "that crap on your face."

          What. Ever.

          I work w/ women (primarily) so I get the girly communication/venting/talk to talk stuff out here. (and on HERE, too)

          Jenn

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          • #6
            Re: "You just don't understand."

            Now I'm likely to say, "the laundry needs to be done and the house needs to be vacuumed, which one do you want to do?"
            it was amazing..my BFF told me brfore giving birth to DD2, that the above example, was now the way to ASK DH to do things.
            I do that now...I just spout off my mini to do list and the ask "which are you going to do?" Lo and behold he picks a few !

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            • #7
              Re: "You just don't understand."

              Flynn, you get the gold start post of the day in my book! You specified so many things about your DH's communication style that hit home for me. I could list at least three things that our DH's have in common by what you wrote, but I'll spare you the cut and paste.

              It does take a long time to "get" what the other partner is really saying. Thanks for sharing.

              Kelly
              In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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              • #8
                Re: "You just don't understand."

                We resort to caveman grunts, hair pulling and small rock drawings on the walls.

                Works pretty good for us.




                But mostly it still ends in with a 'yes, dear' along with an 'I'm sorry'...not necessarily in that order!

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                • #9
                  Re: "You just don't understand."

                  Originally posted by gmdcblack



                  But mostly it still ends in with a 'yes, dear' along with an 'I'm sorry'...not necessarily in that order!

                  DH has NOOOOOO idea HOW LUCKY he would get if he had either of these phrases in his communication "go to" box. Now using them both together --- well that just sounds like Christmas early to me.
                  Flynn

                  Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

                  “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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                  • #10
                    Re: "You just don't understand."

                    Originally posted by house elf
                    Flynn, you get the gold start post of the day in my book! You specified so many things about your DH's communication style that hit home for me. I could list at least three things that our DH's have in common by what you wrote, but I'll spare you the cut and paste.

                    Kelly
                    :fans: :fans: :fans: MWWWAAAHHH Kelly!

                    I'm not sure I should feel good about this - -but YES I am fairly aware of our communcation (mostly past) issues.

                    At least I'm doing a lot less of this: :banghead:


                    Flynn

                    Wife to post training CT surgeon; mother of three kids ages 17, 15, and 11.

                    “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.” —Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " Albus Dumbledore

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                    • #11
                      Re: "You just don't understand."

                      Originally posted by Flynn
                      I wish there was a "magic communication manual" for marriage that worked a 100%.
                      I've heard really good things about The 5 Love Languages , but I have yet to try it. My mother was such a self-help book fanatic that I tend to run and hide when anything of that genre is suggested.

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                      • #12
                        Re: "You just don't understand."

                        I've heard good things about the 5 Love Languages too. I haven't read it either but enough people have told us about it that we figured we knew enough to do our own version.
                        Cranky Wife to a Peds EM in private practice. Mom to 5 girls - 1 in Heaven and 4 running around in princess shoes.

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