W. grrrrr

[fluffhead]

I just can't believe how much our president think he can put past the American people. (maybe every administration does this? it just seems so much more flagrant with this one...and so much more selfish)
Every time he has the opportunity, he tries to slip more of his agenda under the guise of patriotism or some other mom and apple pie word.
So today (eve of 9/11) I see that he's urging the extension of police powers to fight terror. Can anybody say "fascism?"
The last thing that got me livid was when he used the blackout to push his energy plan, since a small clause in the plan was advancing modernization of the grid.
Why don't we just turn the white house over to Exxon and be done with it? At least we won't have to deal with the charades.
OH YEAH - and saying that increased logging will stop forest fires!!! he used some double-speak like tree thinning or something?

OK I'm done. :P
flame away

Re: W. grrrrr

OH YEAH - and saying that increased logging will stop forest fires!!! he used some double-speak like tree thinning or something?

The plan is pure genius....if there aren't any trees, they can't catch fire!
And re: the blackout...I thought that was totally ridiculous. I don't recall if he said this, but several people said the power grid is "Third World"? Ummm, yeah. Better go build LOTS of power plants.

Please, oh please, send us a decent democratic presidential hopeful that can give gw a run for his money. The *only* plus side of gw getting re-elected is that maybe he'll ask the Colorado gov Owens to be his VP....and we'd get a better gov.

[PrincessFiona]

OK...I absolutely can't help myself...I must post this email forward taht I got.....Let me just add though that the views expressed here don't have anything to do with the iMSN They are purely the liberal rantings of a very pregnant woman...I invite anyone standing on the other side of the fence to post the exact opposite view and I promise to hold my tongue.....fair and balanced around here

How to explain American Foreign Policy to your child...

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?

A. Because they had weapons of mass destruction, honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.

A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?

A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of

Mass destruction, did we?

A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?

A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to

Use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we

went to war with them?

A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend

themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if

They had all those big weapons to fight us back with?

A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.

A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?

A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam

Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade

Another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade

His country?

A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?

A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in

Sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American

Corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?

A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?

A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government.

People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison

And tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?

A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?

A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while

China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?

A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?

A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba

Are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?

A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?

A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the

Other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?

A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed

Some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and

started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans

become capitalists?

A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.

A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?

A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a Legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?

A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in

The United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?

A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but

Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?

A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an Illegitimate leader?

A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?

A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?

A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men? Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians? hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?

A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?

A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million

Dollars back in May of 2001?

A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good

Job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?

A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from

Growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?

A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for

Growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?

A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi

Arabia?

A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical

Patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?

A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?

A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.

A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.

A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?

A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?

A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.

A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?

A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support

our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?

A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?

A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?

A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?

A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?

A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?

A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?

A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?

A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?

A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?

A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?

A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because

George W. Bush hears voices in his head?

A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Good night, Daddy

[Meenah]

I'm so with you guys!!!!!!!!

Luanne

[PrincessFiona]

Hey...."you're either fer us or agin us".....


OH wait...wrong political party

kris

[Meenah]

LOL

[PrincessFiona]

I should probably delete that Can you tell I've been laying on the sofa watching CNN for the last 2 hours while the kids destroyed the house and hubby slept (he's sick...I think I'm next!)

In any case...I meant that comment as a joke and hope that no one takes me too seriously.

kris

[SueC]

That was great Kris!

[Auspicious]

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Please, oh please, send us a decent democratic presidential hopeful that can give gw a run for his money.

Amen to that!

[Rapunzel]

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Please, oh please, send us a decent democratic presidential hopeful that can give gw a run for his money.

*Shudder*

I guess a lot of people around here don't know much about the current Democratic presidential candidates....

Jennifer

I believe the key word was "hopeful".....

[Auspicious]

I believe the key word was "hopeful".....

I would have said it was "send." As in "send him from wherever he is currently hiding." It's still early, though. Lots of things could happen in the next 13 months . . .

[fluffhead]

I dunno - I saw Howard Dean speak years ago at a cousin's med school graduation, and he seemed to really have his head screwed on straight.
Lieberman is somewhat conservative but projects moral rectitude and I think it might be actually genuine.
So there are some dems who might be good - the question is will W. be able to stretch some war out until the election so the nation won't focus on domestic issues?

[Meenah]

I'm a Dean lady myself!!!!
Luanne