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  • Divorce

    Is divorce just a part of middle marriage? So many friends in my life who have been married for a long time seem to be at that place.
    A friend of mine here is going through this and it has to be the most convoluted and awful process I've heard of.

    I have known this person since we moved here and I worked with her for about 2 years.

    Anyway, her husband decided to end their marriage after 26 years.

    Here is the thing. They have 4 kids and he hasn't worked much during their marriage (he build our bar downstairs). He has a poor work ethic and often is not rehired. She has been the one to work and support the family on $13.00/hour. Since I have known them, they have gotten every type of public assistance possible including gas money for the car, food stamps, you name it. He has refused to go to work at a steady job. He finally got a job in North Dakota earning $25/hour. He was living in a company apartment. He finally had money for the first time in his life and decided he was done with the responsibility of a mortgage and kids...and a wife.

    He had her served with papers and she is devastated. She is living in a house that he built. Not one room in the house is finished properly. He left the entire back wall of the house open to "build a garage" but never did. It is simply all rotted wood now. They probably owe more money on the house than it is worth. (She had someone out to estimate and will know next week).

    In the meantime, here is his plan. He doesn't want to have to pay more money than necessary, so he gave his 2 weeks notice at the good job and will be moving home where he has no job. He expects to live in the downstairs of their house while she lives upstairs. He expects this arrangement after the divorce. This way, he has "joint custody" of their youngest daughter.

    Since asking for the divorce, he has come home every other weekend and pretended like nothing is happening ... inviting their mutual friends over to play cards together (where he then feels forced to play), planning family day outs where he insists that she comes, talking to her about the possibility of being friends with benefits.

    In the state of MN, you are required to put your spouse on you health insurance. My friend just got a new job with health insurance (she is insured for the first time in over 20 years. She has been on MNCare forever). She is required to add him to her insurance right now even as he is filing to leave her.

    She is penniless, she has nowhere to go, her kids have told her that if she moves out they will stay in their house with the dad because they don't want to move out of their rooms!.

    It's outrageous.

    They are close to being foreclosed on as it is and him quitting his job? It will mean the end I'm sure.

    I don't know how to support her. She texts or calls constantly and when we meet for coffee it runs past 4 hours.

    Ever since she started going through this, I have had an endless loop of "what if" processing in my mind. DH and I talk constantly about it now because I suddenly feel so vulnerable. I don't think I'm on shaky ground, but it is startling to see what things look like for this friend of mine after so many years of marriage!
    ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
    ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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    Wow, I'm amazed she put up with that shit for so long. It is understandable that it makes you or anyone feel vulnerable when they see friends divorcing, but look at the differences... A marriage where one spouse is a freeloader who leaves a gaping hole in the back of the house for years? Probably not an example you need to compare yourself to. It sounds like he's a delusional asshole. She should walk out and take her income and her health insurance and let his ass get foreclosed on. I know it's not that easy though...
    Wife of PGY-4 (of 6), cat herder, and mom to a sassy-pants four-nager.

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    • #3
      MN also looks at someone's earning potential. So if he was earning $25/hr, that is what his contribution to support will be calculated at.

      She needs to learn to say no. If he wants out, then he is out. He can't come back to the house.
      Kris

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      • #4
        She is actually filing some sort of motion this week so that he can't come back. She asked him not to come back, but he didn't listen to her.

        It's hard for her because she still loves him. She says she would reconcile immediately if he changed his mind.
        ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
        ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PrincessFiona View Post

          It's hard for her because she still loves him. She says she would reconcile immediately if he changed his mind.
          Wow, she needs help beyond the divorce issue if she would want him back. I feel sad for her because of the divorce and because she doesn't see that she deserves better.
          Tara
          Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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          • #6
            I agree, Tara. There has been a lot of dysfunction in this relationship for awhile....but they were both dysfunctional together I think and so it worked.
            ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
            ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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            • #7
              I would seek advice of an attorney. They give free consultations usually. I recently had one.
              Needs

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Phoebe View Post
                I would seek advice of an attorney. They give free consultations usually. I recently had one.
                I'm so sorry. Is there anything you need?
                Tara
                Married 20 years to MD/PhD in year 3 of MFM fellowship. SAHM to five wonderful children (#6 due in August), a sweet GSD named Bella, a black lab named Toby, and 1 guinea pig.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pollyanna View Post
                  I'm so sorry. Is there anything you need?
                  +1


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                  Wife to Family Medicine attending, Mom to DS1 and DS2
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                  • #10
                    How awful for her! I know that it seems like marriages fall apart all the time, but I truly don't think you need to worry about comparing your marriage with hers. All couples have ups and downs, but that has been severely dysfunctional for the duration of their marriage. I can understand the kids wanting to hold on to the stability of their house, but the reality is that they will lose it anyway, and it's probably for the best to be in a safer living environment. It is so good of you to be a friend to her and let her vent, but of course it's fine for you to set limits. When you meet for coffee, at the beginning let her know you need to be somewhere in an hour and a half (even if you don't), so you can wrap it up before it takes up your entire morning.

                    Hugs, Pheobe.
                    Laurie
                    My team: DH (anesthesiologist), DS (9), DD (8)

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                    • #11
                      That dude is a fucking moron. He had a recent job paying $25/hour? His support order will be based off that pay rate, regardless of the fact that he quit. What a dumbass. Hey, dipshit — know what's worse than having a support order based on a job paying $25/hr? Having a support order based on $25/hr and being unemployed.

                      Idiot.

                      And frankly, she's an idiot, too. Not only has she put up with this shit for almost three decades, SHE'D TAKE HIS LOSER-ASS BACK.

                      She's afraid of change, which is understandable. Except when you're in perpetually shitty circumstances, you should be seeking out and welcoming change.

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