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  • #16
    Hmmm....

    I don't know much about the person Laura Schlessinger the person. I have, however, read some of her books.

    Her advice does sting to the core - if you fall into the traps of modern day "feminism" where both men AND inherent feminine traits are reviled.

    It's interesting to me that the people who I personally know who believe in similar principles (selflessness in marriage, respecting the differences between the sexes, the importance of femininity and motherhood) tend to have happy, satisified lives. Not all of them - but definitely most. I know so many women who are unhappy because they are completely confused about themselves, men, and family relationships. What used to be common sense is now regarded as "old-fashioned" nonsense and those who follow that common sense are treated by the guilt-ridden as pariahs.

    It is so common in our society to have people paid to soothe your conscious (ie the idea that guilt should be ignored and is not the result of an inner voice but only the byproduct of societal expectations) rather than to bluntly and honestly deal with the roots of the problem. While I know not a whit about "Dr. Laura" her books are basically just the written version of what is simply common sense.

    She does seem to predominantly focus on women in her books - and that seems to be her primary audience so I'm not surprised. Her point is often that women hold a great chunk of the power. They can make or break a man, their children, and society in general. Her message (with which I agree) is that there is power in femininity and the modern "feminism" movement has, ironically, done more harm to that power than help.

    Her advice seems to revolve around the principle that you cannot force another person to change and most marital problems are caused by two people therefore if you want to effect change you must first closely examine yourself and change your own behavior. Her advice isn't to berate a person because you dislike their behavior. Rather, she has the idea (which I have found to be true in my own marriage) that you treat a person as if they were already the way you wanted them to be - and their behavior will rise to your expectations. It is a sound way to deal with other people - be they spouse, children, or any others with which you deal. It is a positive way to deal with negative issues and efffect change. I'm not sure how many of you have actually read any of her books - because these are all repeated themes in them. Now, this advice does not work in truly abusive situations - and she basically gives the common sense advice to RUN from an abusive situation (and, she does come down hard on women who stay with men who particularly harm their children). But, for the vast majority of marriages it is sound counsel.

    She is also very good at providing solid evidence when necessary on issues that involve harm to children. One of her books in particular is sitting on my shelf because of the numerous studies and hard facts it sites on issues such as pedophelia.

    I have never heard her radio show - although she does write about it in every book I have read by her. I do not know much about her as a "celebrity" and I wouldn't be surprised if she is far from perfect (given that pretty much all celebrities seem to be off the chart when you crack open their personal lives). However, rather than focusing on the messenger in this matter I examine the message and I find it to be inherently correct and worthwhile. Perhaps it would be better to have these sound principles coming from a better person - but I have no doubt that such a better person would still encounter a great deal of bile from those for whom the truth hurts.

    Not a popular opinion given this particular group of women - I know.
    Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
    With fingernails that shine like justice
    And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Tabula Rasa
      Her message (with which I agree) is that there is power in femininity and the modern "feminism" movement has, ironically, done more harm to that power than help.
      I think this is an interesting statement and I think the statement that causes people to either hate her or love her. I don't consider myself a feminist in anyway, at some level because I don't like that word. I was raised in a happy family, I am educated, I am married to an educated man and I find myself taking care of him and our life. I don't mind that, if that makes me old fashioned then so be it. However I also don't buy into the have a meal and a drink ready for him when he gets home, don't ask him about his day b/c he's mad, tired, etc school of thought.

      I think most of the reason she is hated is because of the way she presents things. I may very well be her target market because I enjoy taking care of my house, my husband and some day my family - do I plan to give up all of my own interests, etc. to do so? No which I think is why I don't agree with her, she seems to be very set in her ways and very unwavering, but then again aren't we all.

      Wife to NSG out of training, mom to 2, 10 & 8, and a beagle with wings.

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      • #18
        Dr. Laura has some interesting and thought-provoking ideas. I agree with some and disagree with others. It isn't her ideas that sting though...it is her black/white ** all/nothing attitude coupled with the hypocrisy of her words.

        She is NOT a psychologist and has no formal training in psychology or psychotherapy. She has her doctorate in phsyiology. She is also divorced...(hmmm...did she let HERSELF GO? Actually, I read somewhere that she had had an affair or two. Her current husband, I believe was the product of an affair ) AND even though she's "her kid's mom" she worked when he was little. She espouses a real faith in family values but is estranged from her sister and was estranged from her mom until her mom died. Ohhh...and there are some great naked pics of her to be found online (just google it) during the days where she believed the most in...family values. But hey...maybe there are some tips about how to make these pics in the book

        Ahhhh, the hypocrisy.

        kris
        ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
        ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Suzy Sunshine
          I think most of the reason she is hated is because of the way she presents things.
          But, I wonder how many people hate her as a person and how many hate her for the message she is giving? Is it because they don't like the way she speaks on her radio show (which, admittedly, I haven't a clue about) or is it because they revile the principles she maintains a her focus?

          Perhaps I would find her to be avoidable on the personal level - but I see nothing wrong with her message. In fact, I see quite a bit that could be hard to hear (or read in my case) but is true nonetheless.

          I think one of the failings in our modern society is the inability to truly examine oneself and one's own faults. We avoid doing so because it involves painfully facing the things that we find hard to fix or control. So, instead we pay people - counselors, therapists, preachers - to tell us what we want to hear. And, many do just that because they realize people will not pay to hear a message that makes them uncomfortable. It's a gutsy person who says, "Yes, there is a problem - and it's coming from you."
          Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
          With fingernails that shine like justice
          And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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          • #20
            Originally posted by PrincessFiona
            Dr. Laura has some interesting and thought-provoking ideas. I agree with some and disagree with others. It isn't her ideas that sting though...it is her black/white ** all/nothing attitude coupled with the hypocrisy of her words.

            She is NOT a psychologist and has no formal training in psychology or psychotherapy. She has her doctorate in phsyiology. She is also divorced...(hmmm...did she let HERSELF GO? Actually, I read somewhere that she had had an affair or two. Her current husband, I believe was the product of an affair ) AND even though she's "her kid's mom" she worked when he was little. She espouses a real faith in family values but is estranged from her sister and was estranged from her mom until her mom died. Ohhh...and there are some great naked pics of her to be found online (just google it) during the days where she believed the most in...family values. But hey...maybe there are some tips about how to make these pics in the book

            Ahhhh, the hypocrisy.

            kris
            So, you dislike her as a person. OK, I can understand that.

            Now, regarding her promotion of an idea that there is such a thing as right and wrong: I do not subscribe to moral relativism. I do believe that there is often a definable right and wrong in many situations. While I acknowledge that I am imperfect and choose the wrong many times - I still know that there is a right and wrong. I can see a moral relativist having problems with someone who clearly discerns right from wrong - and admits to choosing the wrong.
            Who uses a machete to cut through red tape
            With fingernails that shine like justice
            And a voice that is dark like tinted glass

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            • #21
              I dislike her for the message she sends, that it's ok to have double standards. She tells women to trust, respect, and never question their husbands, as if they're Gods. I'd much rather be in an equal relationship with my fiance than put him on a pedestal and dedicate my entire life to serving him. Treat him with respect? Sure. Treat him like he has no faults and nothing to improve on? I'm sorry, but that's where I draw the line. Communication, not blind submission, is what makes a relationship work.
              Cristina
              IM PGY-2

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              • #22
                [quote=Tabula Rasa]
                Originally posted by "Suzy Sunshine":22d9f
                I think most of the reason she is hated is because of the way she presents things.
                But, I wonder how many people hate her as a person and how many hate her for the message she is giving? Is it because they don't like the way she speaks on her radio show (which, admittedly, I haven't a clue about) or is it because they revile the principles she maintains a her focus?
                "[/quote:22d9f]


                For me, it IS the message that I don't like. I do find her to be arrogant, however, I can be arrogant (as evidenced above), and so are many others.


                I can see how you find her message to be just plain ole' common sense, which I agree. I read her Ten Commandments book, and she presented the commandments as common sense rules. For example, if you covet your neighor's things, you will never be happy with what you have. If you covet your neighbor's spouse, you are going to have one PO'd neighbor!! That all makes sense.

                It is the the way that she takes things to the extreme that bothers me. I agreed with her stance on premarital sex for teens and early twenty somethings for the mere fact, that if something bad happened (pregnancy, break up, etc) it is difficult to deal with when you are young. However, I think that two consenting, mature adults who have more life experience and money would find a bad outcome easier to deal with. I think that this is just common sense. However, she thinks any sexual relations outside of marriage is wrong. For the record, I was a virgin until my wedding night at 26 Y.O., but I am not so set in my ways to think that everyone should wait until they are 26 and married.


                As well, I disagree with her stance on working moms (as discussed in earlier posts). I realized that my 80+ hour a week job wasn't going to mesh well with being a mom, so I quit a few months ago. I am not pregnant or even trying, but am in the process of transitioning myself into a more family-friendly career (I left public accounting for a private accounting job). I know that I can't park my kid with a nanny for 16 hours a day, 6 days a week, and expect to have a relationship with that child. However, I do not see a problem with a regular 40 hour a week job. Again, I think it is the extreme that she takes her message to.

                I am all for common sense- I just think she goes overboard with it all.

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                • #23
                  Let me preface this by saying that I can't stand Dr. Laura. There.

                  However, I couldn't agree more with this statement:

                  "Because the more you create an atmosphere that shows you appreciate what he does when he's out there, the more he's going to want to be home."

                  Throw rotten eggs at me. I can tell a HUGE (as in astronomical) difference in my husband when I say, for example, "Hey hon. . .oh, wow -you get to do ANOTHER case this afternoon One that you've been wanting to do for weeks?. . .oh wow, that's AWESOME! Yes, we'll have some food ready for you!" as opposed to "Are you freaking kidding me? You're coming home late AGAIN? Can't I get any @*(&*&(@ help around here?!?" I've actually never said it in those terms but I can admit that I have been much less than supportive in the past.

                  My SIL gave me a book "For Women Only" (there is a companion book "For Men Only") and it's actually really good stuff. Or maybe not "good" stuff but it's true. It covers the 'men need respect and women need love' idea which sounds so antiquated to the modern women but I believe in it 120% I did my "practice exercises" at the end of the chapter for 2 weeks and noticed a huge difference.

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                  • #24
                    I don't understand why it takes a fake therapist to tell people to use common sense and to be nice to your spouse.

                    I'm nice to my spouse because I like him. Can't get more simple than that. I respect him because he's a good guy.

                    I'm a feminist- I believe that women have equal rights and responsibilities at home and at work. That doesn't mean I'm gonna bust balls because I can. That's just not nice no matter who you are.

                    I'm working because I want to, I have the checkbook because he'd spend us into the ground and I hire home repair people because we have neither the time or the skill. Trust me, my husband is not an emasculated shell of a man quivering in the corner of the living room.

                    I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Dr. Laura is mean. That pretty much sums it up. Rational-emotive behavior therapy is a good way to get things accomplished without dwelling on the past but berating people isn't typically a good therapy technique. but not surprising because as I said earlier- when you're not an actual therapist, you can get away w/ being a not very nice person.

                    Jenn

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DCJenn
                      I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Dr. Laura is mean. That pretty much sums it up. Rational-emotive behavior therapy is a good way to get things accomplished without dwelling on the past but berating people isn't typically a good therapy technique. but not surprising because as I said earlier- when you're not an actual therapist, you can get away w/ being a not very nice person.
                      What she said.

                      I only know her from her television show, but her advice was not given from a place of compassion, which even tough love has to be.

                      I think there's this twisted dynamic where some people like to have others make them feel bad (because they think they deserve it and want that validated or something) and some people like to make others feel bad (because it makes them feel superior about their own lives) and the Dr. Laura Show was a vehicle for those people to meet each other.
                      Married to a hematopathologist seven years out of training.
                      Raising three girls, 11, 9, and 2.

                      “That was the thing about the world: it wasn't that things were harder than you thought they were going to be, it was that they were hard in ways that you didn't expect.”
                      Lev Grossman, The Magician King

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Auspicious
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                        some people like to make others feel bad (because it makes them feel superior about their own lives) and the Dr. Laura Show was a vehicle for those people to meet each other.
                        Totally agree. She caters to the "look how virtuous I am, and therefore better than you" crowd.

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                        • #27
                          Dr. Laura is mean. That pretty much sums it up.
                          I agree with this. I think her whole "tone" (and I will admit that I avoid her as much as possible) is calculated for the effect it will have and the publicity it will bring, negative or positive. I don't think she cares ONE BIT if she helps anyone or not, and I actually don't think she even believes all of the stuff she spews.....but it sells.

                          Sally
                          Wife of an OB/Gyn, mom to three boys, middle school choir teacher.

                          "I don't know when Dad will be home."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by grasshopper
                            Originally posted by Auspicious
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                            some people like to make others feel bad (because it makes them feel superior about their own lives) and the Dr. Laura Show was a vehicle for those people to meet each other.
                            Totally agree. She caters to the "look how virtuous I am, and therefore better than you" crowd.
                            Totally, totally agree.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by grasshopper
                              As a side note, Jesher, I think that whether a mother works or stays at home is her own business. I don't think that a mother should have to stay at home because her spouse makes X dollars. If she wants to work for whatever reason that is her business. I feel bad that someone hurt you because you had to work. I am ashamed that I was one of those jerks in my younger days - no thanks to Dr. Laura!
                              Oh - no need to feel bad on my behalf, and I'm sorry for sticking my nose in & suggesting you apologize. Obviously I have no way of knowing the rest of your relationship. No worries (in my direction) about comments made in your younger days. The person who said that stuff to me was about 75. At least you got wiser as you aged!

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                              • #30
                                I had hoped to stay out of this but___________________

                                She is an idiot

                                We all now how much I hate George W, she is right down there with him, as low as low. Now I feel better. I'll take my feminist self off to prepare for school and work.
                                Luanne
                                wife, mother, nurse practitioner

                                "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." (John, Viscount Morely, On Compromise, 1874)

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