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[Malpka]

A friend of mine in Tampa- her Mom became a nun after her father died. Her mother lived in a convent, and the nuns all faught over babysitting her son- she had ten devout women at her beck and call everytime she needed to go the dentist or get her hair cut. LUCKY!

[Momo]

Wow I walk away on page 3 of this thread... audible GASP...to tend to the little ones and I come back page 5 and am reading about bagels and nuns!!!

Can I just say I sure do you love you guys/ gals... parents, non parents,libs, cons(maybe not neo cons :>)Jews, Christians, Muslims, Buhddists, agnostics, atheists, fashioniesta, fashionably challanged, professionals, SAHP, I enjoy reading from you all, even if at times it rubs me the wrong way...



Gee do you all fantasize about our " Confrence / Convention" that will be held in Hawaii someday...I do!

Nuns can join after having a life (widowed, etc. ... divorced even, I think -- if it's been annuled), but take a vow of celibacy once they're in the order.

I'm sure Tara will be able to clarify.

As far as posting / disagreeing: as long as you don't come off like a pompus ass who knows everything ... we should all be able to agree / disagree in peace and harmony.

JennS: Kelly is moving to Cinci-area for fellowship.

[Momo]

You guys crack me up. I can't believe how much time I've joyfully wasted here today.

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Oh crap tell me about it...I need to go and do major Preschooler/ toddler recovery to my house...shame on me?...nahh... good for me!!

I've missed half of this having only had time to check in and delete porn.
<wiping sweat from brow>

[Rapunzel]

I've been on all afternoon and I didn't even notice the porn!!!

You're GOOD!

[Sheherezade]

I got one too, Nellie! I bet you got all the good links, though.

So, my secret plan to become a nun is that obvious, is it? :>

[PrincessFiona]

Why is it that you guys always find the porn stuff to delete and I end up with the boring advertising junk to delete? There is no justice....

To become a nun you must be unmarried and Catholic. Unmarried must be in the eyes of the Church.

Hmmmm .... but if you don't get married in the church, aren't you considered unmarried in the eyes of the church? Then Angie could probably join the convent right away! She'd have to take a vow of celibacy, but for some medical marriages that might not be a problem. :!

[Sheherezade]

Oh, MAN! All these rules! Can't a girl just get her nun on?

[MissCrabette]

I'm with Cheri and Lily here. I think it's silly to dismiss a valid post just because the poster doesn't have children. There are plenty of horrible parents (not talking about anyone here). Should their opinion carry more weight than Cheri's? What I'm trying to say, as Cheri so well put it, judge the post, not the poster. If the post is valid, then take it as such.

I'm going out on a limb here but Tabula Rasa already mentioned that it's easier to accept praise from people without children than it is to take criticism from the same people. Could this dismissal come from insecurity after all? If you are certain that's not the case, then wouldn't it be easier and more civilized to point out the fault in the childless poster's thinking?

[DCJenn]

It all most certainly comes from insecurity which is why there are always numerous references about starting or adding to the therapy fund.

and I also realize that there are lots of you under incredible stress, particularly those of you waiting for the match. We also tend to (desperately) try to forget exactly that little sliver of hell that is the match. and we have people who are stepping into 'real doctor' life and all of that fun. and we have people who have crappy stuff happening in their personal lives, whether work personal or home personal or both.

This time of year always brings out the worst in all of us- I'm as guilty as the next person- and if we look back I'll bet that January/February always has a certain level of tension in our posts.

It's a lot easier to think, "jeez, what asshats" and go outside in the balmy 70 degree weather and go for a walk. But nope- everyone is pretty much stuck inside at their computers looking at below freezing temperatures, weeks more of winter, the various dawkter related stresses, and suddenly you think, "what the hell do I have in common with these psychos anyway." Feel no guilt, we've all done it. (today)

and for the record, I'm incredibly edgy and I'm trying to stay out of any sort of commentary on anything other than that which I have done or that which I know. So- there you have it.

Jenn

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[Meenah]

Well I cannot believe how much I have missed today!!!!! I'm going to have to quit school and work to keep up with all of you.

[Rapunzel]

Wellllllll, the simple fact is that there are certain things you will experience as a parent that will give you better insight into parenting than someone who has never parented. It's just reality.

Now, that doesn't mean that people who have never parented can't have insightful thinking on the subject from time to time. But, I don't have the arrogance to tell someone with cancer how to deal with it (having had relatives with cancer - dying from it, in fact, as well as living with it long-term) for example. I've never had cancer and I acknowledge that I am not one to tell someone in that position how they should feel, what they should do, etc.

So, I think on one side there is arrogance and on the other side there is insecurity. And, on all sides it is a matter of pride. Sooooo, the opposite of pride is humility. Perhaps it means understanding as a nonparent that, well, you don't have the vital experience necessary to tell a parent about their own lives and jobs AND remembering if you are a parent that you were once a nonparent and perhaps cutting some slack for those who don't realize the extreme change in life that occurs with parenthood because you were once there, too (ie you were once a nonparent).

And, in the end that is the biggest difference: Those of us who are parents know what it's like to both be nonparents AND parents - both sides of the fence. Those of us who are not parents have truly only experienced one side of this fence.

Now, I can understand discussing hurt feelings over this. However, the simple fact is that I know what it's like NOT to have children AND what it's like to have children. Those of you without children have only lived half of that equation. I think we can all agree to that immediate statement without emotional involvement.

[Sheherezade]

I'm not sure that was the message. Was that the message?

I thought it was develop a thicker skin (which wrinkles less) and charge forward with your opinions. If you get your toes stepped on, remember we still love you - even if you choose to wear toe-baring Birkenstocks. :> Call me at the convent for further clarification.