vick-dog fighting

ITA, Jenn!

I like to think it sends quite a message when a sports figure is convicted. It says, "You're not above the law." And sure lots of sports stars have gotten away with murder, spousal abuse, and more. Oops...forgot to mention the word "alleged." I for one, am glad that it wasn't shrugged off because it was "only dogs."

[Rapunzel]

I agree with Vanquisher - :thud:



This is a very bad thing morally besides being illegal. But, I find it hard to feel worse for dogs who didn't have a choice in their deaths than for the unborn who don't have a choice in their deaths - let alone all of the horrible things such as DUI's and abuse of family members let alone child molesters that are truly not causing as much of a stir as this one single case.

I just wish the public at large, the media, congressmen would get this much righteous anger over things that are happening to people on a regular basis - from abortion to child rape to the increasingly "minor" crime of DUI.

[DCJenn]

See that's my point, entirely.

the animal abuse thing is horrific but just as much or more because of the indicators of how they ultimately treat people.

Personally, I think the guys who set that little Iraqi boy on fire deserve a far worse fate than the dog-fighting guys. Or maybe they all just deserve the fates that they have enacted on others. The old eye for an eye thing.

People suck.

Jenn

[Rapunzel]

OH, gosh, I read about that little boy as well.

Just turned my stomach.

Who would DO something that evil to a little child???

There are some punishments in this life that just can never equate to the crime committed. This is where religion comes in for me - and a just God that is to be feared more than any legal system on earth (or needle in the arm).

[rainbabies]

ug. i read about that little boy. i also saw the before and after pictures of him. he was a beautiful boy with the greatest smile. i did notice that there is help being arranged along with donations now being accepted.

[Stella]

I read about the Iraqi boy too. I also saw a story on the news today where two kids had their kitten in the front yard and their neighbor came over and shot the kitten and left it there and took off. What the fuck? That's not as heartless and cruel because it's not a boy? It's ALL sick. They should ALL be punished. Equally punished? Yeah maybe. I guess I think someone who is willing to shoot some kids' kitten in their lawn is as morally bankrupt as someone who kills another person. It's all depravity. I couldn't possibly say that a guy who murders animals with his bare hands is "better" than a guy who shoots someone on the street. It just doesn't seem right.

[houseelf]

What irks me about this and other high profile criminals turned sports professionals is that the punishment meted out seems correlated to their ability as a player. I'm quite sure that justice should NOT depend on an individual's public profile. It kind of reminds me of what the Europeans concluded about the OJ Simpson case: In America, you are guilty until proven rich. See, also, e.g., Lindsey Lohan, Nicole Richie, Paris Hilton. If any of these individuals held a GED and lived in the local trailer park, I have a sneaking suspicion they would have encountered wildly different punishments.

Kelly

[Rapunzel]

If any of these individuals held a GED and lived in the local trailer park, I have a sneaking suspicion they would have encountered wildly different punishments.

Naaaaah....
Couldn't be!!!

[Momo]

Personally, I think the guys who set that little Iraqi boy on fire...

ahh nothing like war to up the odds of horror befalling children @ play...and to think he along w/ countless others(American & Iraqi ) could still be alive and uninjured if it weren't for the fact that Bush is in office.

hijack continued...

...and to think he along w/ countless others(American & Iraqi ) could still be alive and uninjured if it weren't for the fact that Bush is in office.

[Rapunzel]

Personally, I think the guys who set that little Iraqi boy on fire...

ahh nothing like war to up the odds of horror befalling children @ play...and to think he along w/ countless others(American & Iraqi ) could still be alive and uninjured if it weren't for the fact that Bush is in office.

If only that were the case.

Unfortunately evil such as that is perpetrated everywhere - even in seemingly peaceful suburbs in the United States and other "safe" nations.

I cannot blame Bush for the actions of these absolute monsters. Only they are accountable for what they have done to this poor little boy and there is no reason on earth that they could give to justify their actions.

[GrayMatterWife]

Update: Vick is scheduled to plead guilty on Monday on a federal charge of conspiracy. The underlying crime is the travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor an animal in an animal fighting venture. The plea agreement with the US Attorney provides that, for US Sentencing Guidelines purposes, there should be an upward departure because the conspiracy charge does not adequately reflect the nature of the crime, and that Vick should receive a two-level downward departure for cooperation. Adjusted offense level of 13...We'll see what the Judge does...

[Momo]

Personally, I think the guys who set that little Iraqi boy on fire...

ahh nothing like war to up the odds of horror befalling children @ play...and to think he along w/ countless others(American & Iraqi ) could still be alive and uninjured if it weren't for the fact that Bush is in office.

If only that were the case.

Unfortunately evil such as that is perpetrated everywhere - even in seemingly peaceful suburbs in the United States and other "safe" nations.

I cannot blame Bush for the actions of these absolute monsters. Only they are accountable for what they have done to this poor little boy and there is no reason on earth that they could give to justify their actions.

It is the case that war does bring about increased potential of violence on innocent by-standers as well as death /collateral damage. The fact that Bush started a war w/ Iraq does make him culpable to some degree @ the very least!
I think we all know and agree that there are random acts of madness that can occur just about anywhere /anytime. I wasn't implying that this was a random act by hoodlums. I was implying that the war has increased the numbers of these criminal madmen & and the likelihood of violence/ horrors (such as the boy's) befalling innocent people.
So many sickos have emerged since this mess began...I honestly believe in my heart that there would be people, such as this little boy, that would still be healthy, whole and /or alive if it weren't for GWB.

[rainbabies]

really? even all the things that sadam did to his own people? or are we just hearing about the things that are happening in iraq because we're there..and there is a microscope on the situation?

[Momo]

Saddam & his henchmen were extremely guilty of carrying out horrific crimes... but the "avg" criminal element was "suppressed" w/ an iron fist...when under a dictator like him ,sadistic criminals were not so free to roam & recruit others to promote terror...do you see what I am getting at ??


Again, I'm am not saying that there wasn't evil before Bush...I'm just saying Bushes choices have created more evil and victims!