Immigration

[PrincessFiona]

Stringent vetting process? The Somalis in MN have no passports or documents. They are given a Birthday of Jan 1. They are not screened for infectious diseases and arrive with rampant TB. Many are highly contagious and require isolation and medical care immediately. That's vetting? My husband is a legal immigrant. It took us a year, interviews, hiv and TB testing to get approved. So vetting? Not really.


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[MDPhDWife]

Stringent vetting process? The Somalis in MN have no passports or documents. They are given a Birthday of Jan 1. They are not screened for infectious diseases and arrive with rampant TB. Many are highly contagious and require isolation and medical care immediately. That's vetting? My husband is a legal immigrant. It took us a year, interviews, hiv and TB testing to get approved. So vetting? Not really.


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I'm curious, what has changed from the time T immigrated to now? Is the process to immigrate more stringent than it is for refugees? How do the refugees get jobs without documents?


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[PrincessFiona]

From what I understand , the process is similar today. The Somali immigrants are taken care of by catholic charities. They receive a fully furnished place to live that has been stocked with food. The government pays the Somalis rent when leave to visit Someone in Somalia. 70 % of Somali men get down get disability for low back pain. They raise their boys to treat women as inferior sex objects the women work and learn English they are not allowed to be smarter than their husbands so Tomas has to have at for their interpreter. Once the man leaves, the woman is able to speak English. Mn also has the most radicalized somalis in the county. Keep the women and children here and send the men home.


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[MrsC]

I immigrated 11 years ago. I got my citizenship a year ago. Since it was marriage based, through the entire process there was a focus on proving that our marriage was legitimate as well as vetting for me. For the marriage side, (twice in the span of 3 years) I had to provide records of phone calls, pictures, gift receipts, greeting cards, letters, bank accounts etc. between DH and I. I had to get letters of recommendation from friends and family. I had to be sponsored by someone other than my husband. We provided tax records, leases, proof of health insurance. I had two interviews, one with DH, one on my own. I had background checks and three biometric and fingerprinting appointments. I had a physical, TB and HIV testing and proof of immunizations. There are probably some things I've left out but that's the gist of it. It's a long and rigorous process. It was terrifying for me coming from a European country, I can't even imagine what it's like coming from a Muslim country. But, it's absolutely necessary.
It is a widely known fact that the U.S is one of the hardest countries to emigrate to. That's why I call BS on this Muslim ban. It's baseless and ignorant. I would love to know what they could possibly do better than what they're doing right now. No-one seems to have an answer.

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[PrincessFiona]

[MENTION=1139]MrsC[/MENTION] The refugees do not go through the same rigorous process as you and Thomas did. How can they? How do you vet someone without papers and a passport. Why are they not tested for TB. This is. O Muslim ban. 80% of Muslims are free to come here. This is a temporary 3 month ban on immigrants from countries with terror so that we can figure out how to vet them fairly.

Do you keep up with the European news. Germany is a disaster right now due to the refugees. My mil is afraid to go out.


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[MAPPLEBUM]

"As for concerns about potential refugees lacking documents to prove who they are, the administration officials said Syrians as a population tend to provide extensive documents involving their day-to-day lives. They often arrive with family histories, military records and other information that can be useful for American authorities investigating them."

"Syrians initially file refugee claims with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, which then refers them to the U.S. government. The process has no guarantee of approval and takes so long — Syrians wait nearly three years for approval to come to the U.S. — that experts said it would be a longshot for an extremist group to rely on the refugee program as a way to sneak someone into the United States. The Islamic State group has had far more success appealing to people already living inside the United States to commit or conspire to commit violence. "

There are newer articles but I thought PBS would be a good middle of the road source

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs...roid-sprint-us


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[MDPhDWife]

I found this post by an immigration attorney on FB. He talks extensively about the process. I learned a lot from it:
https://www.facebook.com/BryanScottH...87326084630475


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[Thirteen]

I found this to be informative:
https://www.rescue.org/article/how-u...s-really-works


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[McPants]

Do you keep up with the European news. Germany is a disaster right now due to the refugees. My mil is afraid to go out.

Haha. We really do live in the era of fake news these days, don't we.

[PrincessFiona]

[MENTION=1447]McPants[/MENTION] I'm going by what my mil and bil tell me. My mil was very pro-Merkel and letting in refugees. She said that some of the men are raping women, defacing property and are calling for Sharia law. She is afraid to go to town alone. Also, if you're interested I'm sure you'll find the news that says MN hosts the most radicalized Somalis. There was even an article the other day about a Somali refugee who raped a woman on a bus while her 7 year old watched.


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[McPants]

@McPants I'm going by what my mil and bil tell me. My mil was very pro-Merkel and letting in refugees. She said that some of the men are raping women, defacing property and are calling for Sharia law. She is afraid to go to town alone. Also, if you're interested I'm sure you'll find the news that says MN hosts the most radicalized Somalis. There was even an article the other day about a Somali refugee who raped a woman on a bus while her 7 year old watched.

I'm sure you do. Of course there are going to be some integration problems whenever you take in a large number of refugees from war-torn countries. Calling the country a disaster is silly, however, and probably reflects more on your family members than the actual situation in the country. By the way, most English-speaking press in Europe would be right wing and actively anti-immigration (e.g. the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Telegraph, etc, etc) by the way, so by reading it, you'll not exactly be getting a balanced view. Sweden (another country that has taken more than its share of Syrian refugees in recent times) is constantly portrayed as a soon-to-be muslim nation, filled with rapist terrorists, however the reality is that it remains the comparatively peaceful country it always has been. Crime statistics have remained fairly constant over the last few decades (vastly lower than those of the U.S., I might add) and the vast majority of people are getting along perfectly fine.

I used to know quite a number of Somalis, given that Sweden took in a very large number of them after their civil war in the early 90s. Never had any problems with a single one of them. Perhaps they're not all the same?

[PrincessFiona]

Of course they are not the same. And just because we had a Somali stab people in the mall does not make every Somali a threat. But as I said mn is a hotbed of radicalization. My experience is different from yours. That's all


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[McPants]

Of course they are not the same. And just because we had a Somali stab people in the mall does not make every Somali a threat. But as I said mn is a hotbed of radicalization. My experience is different from yours. That's all

I'm glad you realize this. Hopefully you'll also eventually come to realize that Germany isn't a disaster area, despite what anecdotal evidence may suggest. The world appears to be heading in a very dark direction, in which people are allowing their fears and gut feelings to take precedent over facts en masse and the media and unscrupulous politicians are seemingly all too happy to guide them along. Situations like that don't normally end very well.

[PrincessFiona]

Well. I hope I'm wrong and you're right.


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[metroguy]

as family who got excluded because of the chinese exclusion act - it took like another 100 yrs before my family can come.. my great grand father die in the nyc - alone because of that law. i see no difference between now and before. another dark time has come now and it's just so sad.