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    Size 00: Sizes Shrink as Women Get Bigger

    Nicole Fernandez, a 25-year-old professional from Boston, has trouble finding clothes that fit. She's 5’4 and 105 pounds, and she’s been forced to find her clothing in the children's section her whole life.

    “It’s hard for me to find suits and more professional clothes,” said Fernandez, who works at a law firm. “I’ve never been able to buy normal clothes because everything runs too big.”

    One alternative would be to buy clothes in size 0, but “even size 0 is too large for me,” she said.

    So with petite, short and/or very thin women like Fernandez in mind, some mainstream stores are going a step beyond: Now there's a size even smaller than 0. It's double zero.

    “We made [size 00] available because of feedback from customers,” Gap Inc. spokeswoman Kimberly Terry said of the company's exclusive online introduction this spring of the size at Banana Republic (Gap Inc. is Banana Republic's parent company.)

    “Regular women and especially petite women needed a smaller size,” she added.

    But some shoppers say there should be nothing less than zero. They say size 00 is just the latest proof of "vanity sizing": stores cutting clothes larger so women can buy them in smaller sizes, and feel better about themselves by doing so (thereby making them more likely to buy).

    "It's a very common practice," Tamara Albu, fashion design coordinator at Parsons School of Design, told FOXNews.com in 2002, when we first reported on the trend. "Designers make women feel they're a size 4 and they make a sale. It's a marketing trick."

    Petite women say they've taken the brunt of this trend.

    “It’s ridiculous because it ends up negatively affecting tiny women like me,” said Fernandez, who has tried the size 0 at stores like J. Crew, Banana Republic and even the 00 at Abercrombie & Fitch. “I have a friend who's normally a size 4, and fits into a size 0 in Abercrombie, while I’m shopping in the children’s section.”

    In the 2002 article, we interviewed women who said they loved fitting into a size 6 when they knew very well they were more of a size 8, or a size 4 when they knew they were a size 6.

    Other women are just as happy about it today.

    “I like being able to go into a store and fitting into a size 10,” said Megan Connelly, 35, who lives in New York City. “I know that usually I’m a size 14, but it makes me self-conscious when I go into a high-end department store, and they don’t have my size.”

    Even men's sizes, which are considered more accurate because they are labeled in inches, often seem to be loosened to measure an inch larger than the advertised size.

    “I’ve always been a size 32/33 around the waist,” said Geoff Sedaris, a 33-year-old from Cape Cod, Mass. But Sedaris says he buys pants in a size 30/31, even though he hasn’t lost any weight.

    He also notices fluctuations in size from store to store.

    “In some brands I can be a size medium, and in others I can even be a large or small,” said Sedaris.

    For women, the fashion industry's fit model, or the model they use to size clothes downward and up, is a size 8 (the average American woman wears a dress size of 11-14, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.)

    Gap Inc. says it uses industry sizing standards, except at Forth & Towne, where they use a size 10 fit model, because the store caters to women size 2-20 — 10 being the middle of the size range. The company also uses a plus-sized fit model to design clothes for Old Navy's plus-sized department, which was unveiled in 2004.

    "Stores are not just using one fit model anymore," Terry said.

    While Terry says fits are consistent within stores, except for fluctuations due to different fits designed for different body types, clothes at Gap Inc.'s various stores might fit differently, even in the same size. Terry attributes this difference less to size and more about differing styles, silhouettes, cuts and fabrics.

    “Each of Gap Inc.’s stores has a different typical customer, so size needs are different depending on the store. As we are designing clothes, we do keep our target customer in mind,” said Terry.

    But even though size needs vary from person to person, people don’t always like to face the harsh reality of their actual dress size —- which explains why vanity sizing could be happening at mainstream stores.

    “I would never buy clothes from a plus-size store,” said Connelly, who is aware that she could probably fit into clothes for plus-size women. “I like to dress nice and I like feeling good in my clothes, something plus-size clothing can’t do for me.”

    Many women feel ashamed to shop in plus-sized stores and sections, even though upscale department stores, like Bloomingdale’s, now have plus-size sections.

    “I was in Bloomingdale’s the other day, and I was looking for the men’s section, and ended up in the basement in the plus-sizes,” said Alex Stephens, a 29-year-old from Brooklyn, N.Y. “I was so embarrassed, I wanted to get out of there as fast as I could.”

    With obesity growing in America, the plus-size market has grown by 50 percent in the past five years. In the last decade, all adult age groups in both genders have experienced an increase in overweight and obesity, according to the American Obesity Association. The prevalence of overweight is higher for men (67 percent) than for women (62 percent). The prevalence of obesity is higher for women (34 percent) than men (27.7 percent) as is severe obesity; women (6.3 percent) and men (3.1 percent.)

    Even though most women fall into the plus-size category, only 12 percent said that plus-size stores are their “favorite” stores, according to a recent survey by Mintel International Group, a market research firm.

    But with size 00 and plus sizes increasingly on the market in mainstream stores, it seems most women should be able to find their happy medium.



    This story mentions the Gap...I HATE the Gap. One time a long time ago pre kids and pre marriage I was amazingly a normal size 12-14. I went to the Gap to replenish my favorite jeans....they only had 10 and smaller. I asked and the twit had the gall to tell me they dont carry BIG sizes. Bitch. I havent shopped there since.

    On the opposite end..plus sizes....now my post preggers body and married butt has to wear size 16. So why cant companies make clothes that are CUTE and STYLISH for people that are bigger. Nothing frustrates me more than going into a store and finding floral, checked granny clothes! GRRRRRR!!!! Thankfully there is Lane Bryant.
    ~shacked up with an ob/gyn~

  • #2
    I think I would find a good seamstress or tailor before shopping in the kids section. I usually had to get suits tailored anyway even though it was easy for me to find a size that fit.

    I don't know if it is me or that sizes really do vary that much but it is frustrating to not be able to buy on-line unless I have worn that exact brand. The sizing varies so much.

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    • #3
      I am barely 5'3". More than once sales clerks have directed me away from the petites section because I take a 10/12. I have had to explain to them that petite means you have a shorter rise, inseam and sleeve length. Then I had to explain rise to them

      Vanity sizing in shoes should follow soon.

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      • #4
        Vanity sizing makes online shopping nearly impossible. I'm also just under 5'3" and have had Gap "Ankle" fit fine in some cuts, but look like I'm fleeing a flood zone in other cuts. There are so many different body types and stlyes to match them now, that I wear anything from a size 4 to an 8 in just one brand.

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        • #5
          I would give any amount of money to have this problem.

          Lane Bryant sucks, and I never want to have to shop there again. Unfortunately, it is my only option. Really. I don't know why clothing designers think that fat girls want to look ugly too. Maternity clothes have become more appealing, but fat clothes haven't. It's almost as if the clothing industry wants us to further shame ourselves and be embarrassed so badly by the way we look and our options in stores that we will lose weight. Sadly, it only makes me want to eat more.

          I just want to be able to shop in any store, any store I want! I am 5'9" and at a normal weight, which clearly I am not, but at a normal weight I would be a size 12 or 14. I wouldn't know for sure because I have never been a normal weight. I went from emaciated 6/8 to plus sizes and skipped that normal weight part during my first pregnancy.

          I would give anything to have clothes be too big for me.
          Heidi, PA-S1 - wife to an orthopaedic surgeon, mom to Ryan, 17, and Alexia, 11.


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          • #6
            Heidi, You dont like LB? I guess it's just me! I think their clothes are good. They fit my big butt and boobs, and most of the time I can find something stylish.

            Someday, I want to shop at Nine West or Ann Taylor. Maybe after I join curves and loose my bootie.
            ~shacked up with an ob/gyn~

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            • #7
              No, I don't like Lane Bryant, and I will tell you why.

              I hate that I have no choice. That it is the only place I have to shop at. It isn't their fault, but they embody my struggle with being fat, and as soon as I don't have to shop there anymore, I will be a happy girl. I would give anything to be able to shop at The Gap or an outlet mall. I lust after Ann Taylor.
              Heidi, PA-S1 - wife to an orthopaedic surgeon, mom to Ryan, 17, and Alexia, 11.


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              • #8
                carefully treading into this post....

                Sizing is a real issue for people. A couple of years ago, I tried on my grandma's dress from 1947 which was marked size "8". [size=x-small] Let's just say that in today's sizing, I wear a smaller size than this. [size] Anyway, I couldn't even zip this size "8" dress up through the shoulders. The dress was that tiny.

                When I lived in Japan I wore a "medium" when shopping out on the economy. My girlfriend who was a size 10 had to wear an XL, *if* she could find it. This upset her to the point that she started calling herself "keiko" (as in the killerwhale). Honestly, however, she was more frustrated by her inability to just go buy clothes off the street.

                Yes, I'm on the small side, but there are women out there a whole lot smaller than me. Some of the hispanic and asian women I see make me look big and substantive. Where in the world do they shop?

                Somehow the clothiers need to assuage all of our psyches and ensure that there actually are clothes available to everyone out there.

                Kelly
                [/u]
                In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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                • #9
                  I can't wear anything from the majority of the stores mentioned.

                  I'm 5'2", usually a size 8 (which is probably really a ten) and although short, I can't wear petites because my arms and legs are normal people sized.

                  I have the best luck with Banana Republic and when I find stuff that fits I buy it. period. I had all of my pants tailored this spring because I found stuff that fit but it was all too long. Shirts are a problem because I'm broad shouldered thanks to 10 years of swimming and the girls are a lot bigger than I thought they were (for you newbies, I had a real bra fitting for the first time back in January and found out that I was off by two cup sizes!) JCPenney stuff fits me the second best and they have a relatively trendy section. My go-to store has always been dressbarn because although the quality is somewhat suspect, they're trendy enough for work and casual and when I travelled every week, I certainly wasn't going to spend large amounts of money on clothes that USAirways might lose.

                  I've been waiting to get back to TX to buy summer stuff because it's always summer there and also because the PX at Ft. Sam carries Columbia for women and I love their linens.

                  I'm a Birkenstock girl unless I'm walking or going somewhere where there may be generals and/or their wives lurking.

                  My mom is tiny and also can't wear petites. Her sister is the one who just had gastric bypass surgery (dropped 41 pounds so far!) and the two of them are hilarious when discussing clothes shopping. They're like the Mike Meyers/Dana Carvey Coffee Talk bits on SNL.

                  Jenn

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                  • #10
                    Tara-

                    in a word, yes.

                    I had INCHES cut off my BR pants this spring. Like seven inches.

                    It's crazy.

                    The same problem happens with athletic shoes by the way. My running coach would start every season with the following speech for the women: "DO NOT buy running shoes that are the same size as your street shoes. They will be too small. Your feet hurt because you are wearing the wrong size shoes. You get shin splints because you are wearing the wrong sized shoes and they're too old. You get blisters because you're wearing cotton socks with shoes that are too small. Go to a running store and get measured. Try on several pairs of shoes. Go running (and that's when I learned that good athletic shoe stores actually want you to try them out and run around a bit!) with GOOD socks and buy them. They will be at least a half size bigger than your street shoes. This is not about your ego. This is about your FEET."

                    Jenn

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                    • #11
                      I can't wear petite either though I am on the upper end of height for it -- not quite 5'5". But, like Tara said, regular size pants are sometimes ridiculously long. If I find a pair of dress pants I like, I get them tailored for length and waist/hip if needed. It is worth having them fit correctly and not having to shop around.

                      Since I usually need to hem my pants anyway, I buy the "Long" size since that size tends to be left over and on sale -- esp on the BR website. And if the size I wear for BR isn't proof of vanity sizing, I don't know what is! No wonder they had to add 00.

                      Sizing has definitely changed. Just look at old and new sewing patterns (as I did for hours this week cleaning out MILs house!). As Kelly mentioned, an 8 then isn't what it is now.

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                      • #12
                        My best friend from TX was here last week for a visit, and she was PRIMED to shop. I just couldn't get into it.....too discouraging, for all of the reasons listed here.

                        I have never been a small girl, and my body type tends toward the muscular rather than toward the long and lean. I am 5'7 and wear size 16. I wore about a 10 when I got married, and I was as skinny then as I ever want to be. However, despite my height, my arms and legs are short......my length is all in my torso, which is also where I store my fat. My hips and thighs are not big, but I have a belly, and a good portion of my weight is in my boobs, which bugs the heck out of me.

                        Lane Bryant clothes have never really fit me, because they are always too big in the butt, legs, and shoulders, although they have fit in the chest and waist. I can wear misses' pants, but cute tops......almost never. If they button, no way. If they have seams that are supposed to go UNDER your boobs, they hit me in exactly the wrong spot. I live in t-shirts and tops in stretch materials for the most part.

                        I have had great luck at Penneys, and also at Dress Barn, although the tops at Dress Barn don't fit me, and the same goes for most of the dresses, too. I've gotten some cute skirts there, though. I used to find t-shirts and jeans and some other stuff at Old Navy, but something seems to have changed there.....nothing looks good anymore. Or else I am getting old!

                        My SIL shops some at Ann Taylor/Loft, and the clothes are beautiful, but I can honestly say that even at my skinniest, those clothes are not meant for the kind of body I have. I love J. Jill, but their tops are too short and boxy by the time they fit my chest. Also, they are expensive!!!!

                        I am waiting for someone to come up with the store of my dreams! Like Jenn said, if it fits, I will buy it, no matter what the size says.

                        Sally
                        Wife of an OB/Gyn, mom to three boys, middle school choir teacher.

                        "I don't know when Dad will be home."

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                        • #13
                          Sally,
                          I get the J Jill sale emails and the prices are more reasonable and there is more in the catalogue than in the store. Might be worth a try! By the time the sale catalogues come out, most of the good stuff is gone, IMO. The emails work a little better.

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                          • #14
                            where is Vishenka?
                            ~shacked up with an ob/gyn~

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                            • #15
                              aren't they on one of their fab vacations? (she says jealously)

                              Jenn

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