abortion

Extrapolating these statistical results to a lifetime concept such as TFR is, admittedly, far from precise. Nevertheless, these data do show that abortion policy has only moderate effects for white fertility but larger effects for black fertility. The results imply that there has been some substitution from other forms of contraception (and abstinence) to abortion. In other words, pregnancies that might have been prevented by contraception are now being aborted instead. The net effect of abortion legalization and Medicaid funding therefore appears to explain little of the decline of American fertility since 1970.

From the RAND report you cited, italics mine.

Mormons and Catholics are exclusively white?

[Vanquisher]

Mormons and Catholics are exclusively white?

Well Mormons pretty much are...LOL

Okay, okay not all, after all they have a highly aggressive recruiting campaign throughout the world.

If there are more conservatives in the world it isn't because they aren't having abortions which affect their future fertility, it is because they have lots of kids to begin with, and people on the left tend to have fewer.

[DCJenn]

Well, at least one member of iMSN is a Latino Mormon family...

and abortion is so not the reason why we're heading toward a majority minority racial situation.

Immigration and culture and religion and socio-economic status have significantly more to do with most of our population issues.

Jenn

personally I would never have a termination, that is my personal choice. I am prochoice however I live in a country where abortion is illegal however this has become less strict as in you are allowed to obtain information about abortion and you are allowed to travel to the uk whereas before you could be arrested and prosecuted for the same.


The reason I'm prochoice is different from most people, it'ss because on my first miscarraige I was 20 and was 16 weeks pregnant and absolutely inconsolable afterwards and came home to recooperate (i was living in the uk at the time), I had a haemorrage in the middle of the night and my mother found me unconcious in the bathroom and I was brought to hospital, back to theatre and had numberous of blood transfusions, when I came round I asked the OB what had happened (not my own ob, a junior resident on call) and she turned to me and said 'thats what you get for going to the UK to have a termination'

On my 4th miscarriage I was in Ireland and because I the law I was not allowed to have the D+C and ERPC for 2 months after my miscarraige to make 120% sure they weren't carrying out an abortion even though all tests had been conclusive, I ended up with an infection afterwards because the retained products had been there so long. My OB was fantastic and supportive and calle dme at home over that time to see how I was doing and apologised for what I had to go through but because of the laws on abortion his hands were tied.

[rainbabies]

WOW! that is a scary story.

[Meenah]

I don't think most people will have a problem with this, but abortion is the reason we will have a latino majority in the very near future. The only white people we will have left in America in a few decades are mormons and catholics, which is fine by me I love the Marriott and devout Catholics share my values

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WTF?

[Stella]

Wow Jane. That's quite a story. I'm so sorry you had to endure all that - that is quite extreme!!!

And re: DrWahoo's comment... I really just don't know what to say to that. We really went to the same school? Hmm.

[MrsC]

That's an awful story Jane. I didn't know that the laws were that strict.

They have changed in the last few years and abortion is allowed in extreme circumstances, such as rape or where continuing the pregnancy would put the mother's or the babies life in danger.

I am pro-life and the only circumstances in which I would consider a termination are the ones above. My views have changed a lot over the last few years. I think it should be illegal. At the end of the day, my belief is that we have absolutely no right to determine the fate of another being. Had our parents decided that we arrived at the wrong time, we would not be here today.

One thing that really opened my eyes on the "termination before six weeks" thing was this website DH showed me. I think it was called Versailes, a medical website. It showed the fetus developing, from conception, every little detail and it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. It shows how complex the whole development really is and how a pregnancy really is a miracle in itself.

Yeap unfortunately for me they are that strict and this was only November/December/January gone, it was particularyly though over Christmas.

Thankfully having my DS got me through it, seeing his little face on Christmas day etc and the midwifes were so understanding in the hospital and where so so kind, but in my opinon it should never have come to that when medical evidence had proved in late Oct/being November that it was a non-progressive/anembryotic pregnancy plus the twin had miscarried a few weeks before so I was already in a delicate state, but you know how it works sometimes in Ireland, a miracle could happen, well thats what it felt like at the time (I don't think it helps that most of the hospitals still have input from the church). 3 consultants had agreed that this pregnancy was not going to continue including an expert in atypical foetal medicine.

Sorry, probably going OTT, it just it emotinal driven anger I have from that time that I just hope no one or no couple EVER has to go through.