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  • #46
    Originally posted by Entropy
    Our insurance won't insure another pregnancy, after our little half-a-million dollar pregnancy/birth experience... So what then?

    Jodi
    If it were me, I'd use the most conservative "rules" of NFP. I don't know them off the top of my head but they are in my book somewhere. We use some less conservative "rules" since we are in a different situation.
    Cranky Wife to a Peds EM in private practice. Mom to 5 girls - 1 in Heaven and 4 running around in princess shoes.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by jesher
      Not okay - as in "against God"? Or not for you?

      Many people have a hard enough time parenting the children they intended to have -- top that with 1 or 2 'surprise' children, and I shudder to think at the emotional damage that will be done.

      I do believe that it is against God......so, it is not for me because of my beliefs. I do understand and respect that others have different beliefs.


      I agree that many people (um...like me!) do sometimes have a hard time parenting the children that they intended. Parenting is not for the faint of heart!

      It's hard for me to put into words exactly what how I feel (which is why I usually never post in the debate forums!)....I know that this won't come out right, but I feel that if you can't handle the consequences, then you shouldn't take the risk. That boils it down to a basic level, I'm not saying that you should never have sex if you aren't ready for a baby....because not being intimate with your partner isn't what God wants....but you have to weigh the risks. Your body gives you signals to tell you when is to prepared to concieve - you just have to listen to your body. If your body is telling you that it is prepared to conceive and you want to be intimate, you have to weigh the risk - am I prepared to deal with the consquences of my actions or not?

      Isn't that the great thing about where we live? I can think that it is totally wrong to use artifical BC for any reason, that it has contributed to the degradation of the morals of our counrty - and it is ok. And you can think that BC is one of the best advances of modern medicine and that it provides options and freedom - and it is ok.
      Cranky Wife to a Peds EM in private practice. Mom to 5 girls - 1 in Heaven and 4 running around in princess shoes.

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      • #48
        I've been away for so long, and have been furiously trying to catch up on the topics of discussion.

        I can't imagine *not* using the pill. Yes, my libido is low, but I don't know if I can wholly attribute that to using the pill. I think a trip to the Field Museum or a trip to the aquarium with all those bratty, smelly kids running around is good BC too. No intervention, calculations, counting, etc. necessary! :>

        As far as a long term solution: I can't imagine it resting on dh's shoulders. What if something happens to me (knock on wood). I wouldn't want to take the chance away from home of having (more) kids at all.
        married to an anesthesia attending

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        • #49
          Isn't NFP against God? If we are living a life through Him, shouldn't we accept his gift of pregnancy at any time? Who are we mere mortals to use NFP and choose to refuse the gift of a baby he is offering?
          Isn't God offended that people are choosing when to be fruitful and multiply? Basically what we are saying here is that it is ok to reject a baby God is offering as long as we do it a certain way. Is that in the bible?

          If he isn't offended by NFP then how can he be offended by a condom?


          Just playing devil's advocate here.
          ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
          ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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          • #50
            Quiverfull families think that any kind of trying or avoiding is against God's plan, including NFP.
            Alison

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            • #51
              Alison,

              Technically speaking, they are right...anything that interferes with the gift of a baby that God has intended is basically human beings choosing to go against God's will. It doesn't matter then really if that is birth control or abortion. If you really wanted to be a nut, you could even say that NFP is equivalent to abortion in that it prevents a life from being brought into the world....a baby is not conceived each time NFP or any other form of birth control is actively used. Of course, this is a radical viewpoint (one that I don't believe, btw) but is an extension of the birth control is bad idea.
              ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
              ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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              • #52
                I just have to say, how do any of you know what is against gods will?

                Do what you want, but don't try to say that it is 'gods' will, please.

                What is it with people and thier beliefs, always trying to get others to believe the same. Are you trying to convince others or yourself.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by *Lily*
                  Hey, whatever blows your skirt up is fine by me, so long as I don't have to live by it. As for God's will, I hope he's got bigger fish to fry than whether I deploy a jimmy hat or take my temperature.
                  Fabulous!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by pstone
                    I just have to say, how do any of you know what is against gods will?

                    Do what you want, but don't try to say that it is 'gods' will, please.

                    What is it with people and thier beliefs, always trying to get others to believe the same. Are you trying to convince others or yourself.
                    I was playing devil's advocate..
                    ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
                    ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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                    • #55
                      And honestly - I don't know that I WANT dh knowing my cycle "that well". It's my body, girly parts -- I don't like the idea of a chart where he checks to see what's going on that day. It would feel like I was being monitored (which clearly it is).

                      To each his / her / their own ... I'm just saying what I am / would be comfortable with.

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                      • #56
                        I think I was actually happier with the idea of NFP before I read this thread.
                        Married to a hematopathologist seven years out of training.
                        Raising three girls, 11, 9, and 2.

                        “That was the thing about the world: it wasn't that things were harder than you thought they were going to be, it was that they were hard in ways that you didn't expect.”
                        Lev Grossman, The Magician King

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Julie
                          I think I was actually happier with the idea of NFP before I read this thread.
                          I think NFP is very difficult to divorce from its religious underpinnings, which is why FAM (same techniques, but barrier methods used to avoid during the fertile period) is careful to distinguish itself.
                          Alison

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                          • #58
                            Go Lily with your jimmyhat!!!
                            Mom to three wild women.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by *Lily*

                              I was listening to this http://download.yousendit.com/FD7D1B5F6236E525 when I was reading here earlier.

                              "yo, it was a brown wallet, had my props' number, my jimmy hats... I gotta git it, man...."

                              I left my wallet in el segundo ?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by jesher
                                And honestly - I don't know that I WANT dh knowing my cycle "that well". It's my body, girly parts -- I don't like the idea of a chart where he checks to see what's going on that day. It would feel like I was being monitored (which clearly it is).

                                To each his / her / their own ... I'm just saying what I am / would be comfortable with.

                                ITA. I don't want him fishing down there for a temperature or to judge my "consistency." Maybe I'm just not comfortable enough with my body, but I'm okay with being that way! He can barely remember what time he has class, I'm not going to ask him to remember when I'm ovulating. It just seems... wierd.

                                Sorry if I offended. To each their own.

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