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"Honey, do you even KNOW where we keep the vacuum?"

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  • "Honey, do you even KNOW where we keep the vacuum?"

    So, this is a pretty basic issue, but I'm wondering how it's handled in other medical households:

    My boyfriend (who, to his credit, is far less messy than the average man) and I recently combined our two households into one, just as he was starting medical school. Like, I think, most Gen-Xers (and a significant number of Boomers) I had always believed that when I was a grownup and a co-head-of-household, as long as my significant other and I were both working full-time outside the home, we would both be contributing equally to the work that needs to be done inside the home. What I didn't anticipate is that that significant other would have a job that was so much more time-consuming than mine. Right now I work your basic 40-hour week, while med school is keeping my boyfriend jumping . . . let's say 60 hours a week. As 2 people create more of a mess than one person, I've pretty much found myself dealing with more dishes, more laundry, and more dirt than I used to have.

    I feel like I have an angel on one shoulder saying: "Is it fair that he should come home after a 12 hour day and do the same amount of housework as you, who only had an 8-9 hour day? Isn't taking up the slack the kind of thing you do for someone you love? A sacrifice you make for the success of the relationship?"

    And a devil on the other shoulder saying: "What is this, 1954? Are you supposed to be June Cleaver now? You chose a career that allows more free time, and as a consequence you're expected to spend that free time doing laundry and dishes for an able-bodied, grown man? If you don't go to grad school you're expected to be the household maid for the next 7 years?"

    Or maybe I have it reversed--which one is the angel and which the devil. If I make him do it am I being selfish? If I don't make him do it am I being some kind of doormat?

    None of our peers have this problem, because for them both halves of the couple work similar hours, and it's kind of a given that the housework should be split 50/50. If they don't hit that 50/50 ideal, then they come pretty close. Our situation is unique among our friends.

    I'm curious to hear, if possible, how this is handled in other medical households. If not in your own, than in others that you know of. And how you think it SHOULD be handled, even if that ideal isn't always reached.

    Is my angel wrong-headed, or my devil? I want us to get this straightened out before we develop bad habits in our relationship that will be that much harder to break later.

    Curious to know what everyone thinks.

    P.S. As a corallary, how much housework should/does a resident do? Obviously not 50%, but do they still do some symbolic amount? 10%, 1%, none?
    Married to a hematopathologist seven years out of training.
    Raising three girls, 11, 9, and 2.

    “That was the thing about the world: it wasn't that things were harder than you thought they were going to be, it was that they were hard in ways that you didn't expect.”
    Lev Grossman, The Magician King

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    I think it should be as equal as possible... although, sometimes that means a 60-40 split or 80-20 split depending on the rotation!

    I personally would have some major issues if I got stuck doing all the housework... I work about 40 hours a week... and I do most of the houscleaning and about 90% of the cooking... but whoever cooks, doesn't do the dishes... it's just the system we've put in place...

    As far as housecleaning goes... whenever my partner has the time, she cleans... if she is on a busy rotation, I kick it up a notch... when she is on a light rotation and I am busy... she does more... we just balance each other out.

    It's also something that we talk about... we really want and strive to have an equal relationship... I think communication is the key.

    The first 2 years of med school are very time consuming... You don't want to put extra pressure on him... but at the same time, you don't want to end up resenting him...

    Hope that helps!
    Carey

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    • #3
      Ahhhh, yes- the mythical 50/50 split.

      Haven't found it yet with the medical spouse. Had it with the previous spouse but, alas there were other issues.

      What he does: the dishes, his uniforms, and whatever I tell him needs to be done. Do I resent having to tell at 35 year old man what needs to be done in a home he half owns? Why yes, I do. However, it's either tell him at the moment or let the resentment fester in to a huge boil of anger. I do think at least partially it's a result of his mother doing everything for him and partially that he doesn't care about living in squalor.

      The most humongous fight we've ever had was a direct result of my having cleaned the cat pans for the 100th time while he sat in his underwear shooting aliens on the computer. (He's lucky I didn't have weapons!) So, from that point on- I tell him when I need help.

      But, don't feel too bad, because during internship you'll be doing everything.... (sorry!)

      There's no good answers except keep the lines of communication open. And you can insist on at least one common, not health or safety related chore be given permanently to him. I really just pretty much told him- the dishes are yours- you don't do them, they sit. It makes me nuts but I had to give up trying to control the entire situation.

      I feel your pain.

      Jenn

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      • #4
        I feel your pain too!

        I hear you, Julie! My dh was actually much tidier than I before the start of residency/fellowship...but this has CHANGED. Maybe it had to do with having children as well, but at the end of the day, if he actually puts a dish in the sink (not dishwasher) he considers that he has cleaned the kitchen . He complains about our messes, but he walks in the door and tosses his shoes about, leaves his cups at the computer, etc, etc....His idea of folding laundry is to roll things in a ball and shove them in drawers...but I have to give him credit for at least trying

        I think that there is something said for doing what is possible, and when they are working 60,80, 100+ hours a week.....I fear that helping out too much isn't realistic. Bad news, I know....at the end of the day, that 50/50 split remains elusive for most couples that I know..and women who work full-time outside of the home still end up doing more than their fair share as well!

        My husband and I have worked it out that I basically tell him what I need to have done that will help me....because on diff. days it's different. I literally have to say...please vacuum the carpet upstairs, or please take the dog out.....he does take the garbage out on his own though, because I refuse to do it....I let it overflow and then when he can't stand it anymore, he does it

        For us, one of the compromises of training meant that I (begrudgingly) accepted the fact that I would be responsible for the house and children....while he worked on finishing his training.....

        Kris
        ~Mom of 5, married to an ID doc
        ~A Rolling Stone Gathers No Moss

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        • #5
          Wow, this is a topic that came up just this weekend during my mom's visit. Granted, mom is VERY protective of me but she commented about my dh's lack of involvement in the household/childcare arena. It is one thing for me to gripe about my hubby's failure to help after a 36 hour shift, afterall, I am doing it all. But it an entirely different ball of wax when my mom complains about my hubby. I really felt like I was in the middle of them and I saw both sides. I guess that for the most part, I have kind of given up the division of labor fight for right now. It sucks, it is oh-so-antiquated, but life isn't fair and I'm not going to let this issue be yet another reason to argue. (most of the time, anyway.) I guess that I have made a slightly uneasy peace with this until we can reexamine it later. I don't know if this is wise or not, but it is getting me through the day.

          Kelly
          In my dreams I run with the Kenyans.

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          • #6
            The 50/50 split is unheard of around here. I have found like some of the other ladies commented, that I have to come right out and ask him to do specific tasks, otherwise he won't do them. He doesn't value a clean house as much as I do and if he sees a sink full of dishes it doesn't seem to occur to him to wash them! Another thing I have found is that if I compliment him on the work he has done (especially if I haven't had to ask), he is much more likely to repeat the behavior. I shouldn't have to treat him like a toddler, but hey whatever gets the dishes done!
            Awake is the new sleep!

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            • #7
              This is a funny topic! I would have to say that I am with most of the women here. 50/50? No way and not even close! My husband isn't terribly messy but he doesn't clean things up to my anal retentive standards. It's almost easier for me to just go ahead and do it the way that I want it done. I will come home on some evenings and just think ooooh - this house is such a mess! He will walk in and think wow - it's sorta clean in here! He takes out the trash and mows the lawn. I have to directly ask for other tasks. I get frustrated with the amount of work that I do around this house to keep it in great 'living condition quality' but then I think about his schedule and I shut my trap pretty quickly. Sure, it's not fair but I don't work 100+ hours per week. . .we don't have kids and extra mess yet. . .so what is a few hours of cleaning a week? I'd rather have the house clean when he comes home so that we can actually spend the time together than have both of us cleaning and mopping!

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              • #8
                Well, I must admit that between my husband and I ... he is the clean freak! I am fine if things are straightened up but he can't stand any clutter and he used to clean more than I did. Now that we are doing the intern thing, he just doesn't have time and I have taken up the slack. I do the garbage because he can never remember what day it is. I do most of the cooking and dishes at this point. He basically does the front lawn. BUT ... I also have kids who are getting old enough to help out. Jacob mows the back lawn and they help to clean up.

                My problem with the cleaning is that I don't always have time to get it done either with the kids and work etc. Then Russ comes home and spends his time off (all one hour or so of it!!) cleaning and having the kids clean. Then he falls into bed. SIGH... I feel guilty if I don't have the house all clean by the time he gets home so that he can just sit and relax! It was a shock when he actually got home at a decent hour last night!! The house was a disaster!!!! He usually calls when he is on his way home and I have 25 minutes to race around cleaning up with the kids!

                Each couple is so different on how they do things. The key is finding what works without anyone feeling too much resentment!

                Robin

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                • #9
                  Thanks everyone--this is all very helpful. Actually it's really helpful just to know that this is completely normal/typical/par-for-the-course behavior. It's pretty clear to me now that I have several things going for me in this situation in that A) he agrees that in a perfect world we would split the housework 50/50, B) we have pretty similar ideas about how neat the place should be kept, C) he will do things I specifically ask him to do, and D) he's trying.

                  Clearly I should not be shy about expecting (and sometimes insisting) that he do what he can, but not be resentful about taking up the slack when he's busy or having to ask him to do specific tasks.

                  I feel better already.
                  Married to a hematopathologist seven years out of training.
                  Raising three girls, 11, 9, and 2.

                  “That was the thing about the world: it wasn't that things were harder than you thought they were going to be, it was that they were hard in ways that you didn't expect.”
                  Lev Grossman, The Magician King

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