Information about Residency Specialties

[spotty_dog]

This is 4yrs of med, plus 5yrs of Anesthesia residency, plus 2(+)yrs of Critical Care.
Anesthesia makes between 350 and 400k out of the gate working an 80hr work week incl. call.

So two years of fellowship quadruples your salary? I'd be down with that!

[diggitydot]

Yup, that's spot-on. They make a shit ton.

[ms.conception]

Yep. It's not just two years though, it's two years for Fellowship, plus an addition year to 18 months of post-fellowship education, like a masters degree, on top of your Fellowship. And yes, it does make a shit ton of money. HOWEVER.. as the spouse i'll say that between the brutal Anesthesia residency he's just finishing, and the taking on of another BRUTAL Fellowship for 2 + years... often the pay off of the $$$ doesn't seem worth what our family has lost in time together. My kids have never, ever known their dad to be home. I think i'd rather have less money, and more quality of life, than more money, and my kids never knowing their dad.

[weeniegeniewife]

While it sounds very impressive (and it is, in terms of gross earnings) we also pay 47% income tax...

Yep, this is us with DH's surgical sub-specialty.

[weeniegeniewife]

Yep. It's not just two years though, it's two years for Fellowship, plus an addition year to 18 months of post-fellowship education, like a masters degree, on top of your Fellowship. And yes, it does make a shit ton of money. HOWEVER.. as the spouse i'll say that between the brutal Anesthesia residency he's just finishing, and the taking on of another BRUTAL Fellowship for 2 + years... often the pay off of the $$$ doesn't seem worth what our family has lost in time together. My kids have never, ever known their dad to be home. I think i'd rather have less money, and more quality of life, than more money, and my kids never knowing their dad.

It will get better after fellowship, I promise!!

[spotty_dog]

Yep. It's not just two years though, it's two years for Fellowship, plus an addition year to 18 months of post-fellowship education, like a masters degree, on top of your Fellowship. And yes, it does make a shit ton of money. HOWEVER.. as the spouse i'll say that between the brutal Anesthesia residency he's just finishing, and the taking on of another BRUTAL Fellowship for 2 + years... often the pay off of the $$$ doesn't seem worth what our family has lost in time together. My kids have never, ever known their dad to be home. I think i'd rather have less money, and more quality of life, than more money, and my kids never knowing their dad.

Definitely hear you on that one, and I'm sorry to have been flip. In my husband's specialty, fellowship training can actually reduce your earning potential, which is why I was astonished that fellowship can make such a significant financial difference. Also because I honestly didn't think that even the highest paid specialties typically made seven figures straight out of training. Naive little me!

[ms.conception]

No offense taken Alison!
What is your husband doing as his specialty?

Here most programs require Fellow training. We have friends that are orthopedic surgeons that can't be employed until they have a Fellowship or two under their belt.
My husband can only work 10 months of locum as an Anesthesiologist, and then he will need Fellowship to get a job. I

Maybe you guys should move to Canada!

[ms.conception]

It will get better after fellowship, I promise!!

I'm going to hold you to this!!!!

[spotty_dog]

Maybe you guys should move to Canada!

LOL. I'll get right on that.

[medpedspouse]

In Canada, do you also have to do the 4yrs of undergraduate (post high school) before the 4 years of undergraduate medicine? If so, you are talking about adding 4 more years! Wow!!!!

[ms.conception]

Yes. My husband actually did an architecture degree prior to doing a 4yr Hons Biochem degree, then med, then residency... So by the "end" of all of this, he'll have over 20yrs of post-secondary University education. grumble grumble over-acheivers grumble grumble..

[diggitydot]

The Canadian health industry is a completely different animal compared to the US. Just being admitted to their schools is miraculous.

Because physicians are public employees in Canada you can actually look up doctors by name and see what they make! I remember seeing some $1M + earners but assumed they were rare exceptions/worked all the time. I had no idea that it was typical for certain specialties. FWIW EM pays about the same each side of the border, at least from our job hunting experience.

[ms.conception]

Yes. the fee for service nature of the industry here means that many Dr's can earn a lot of money or not so much. I have Family Med friends who make 100k/yr working full time, others making 350k/yr working 4 days a week and know of a few who have made 900k (yes, family med), whether or not their billing is accurate and ethical - there was an "expose" in our newspaper a few years ago about a trio of Family Physicians were were top earners in our Province, which is almost impossible unless they're doing one Pap every other minute or so. But what they were doing was working only as walk-in, seeing a patient every 2mins for either Rx refill or throat swab, and billing for it and then group bill.

[labmouse]

bump for neonatologist?? anyone care to describe the life and average salary for an academic neonatologist??