Orlando Shooting

[rufflesanddots]

Me too!

[Kudzoo]

A couple of thoughts....

You won't get support from firearms owners on registering firearms because there is a history of abuses of registries by governments. It is a precursor to confiscation. With the stroke of a pen it makes owners of firearms that politicians dislike, criminals for simply being in possession of them. Firearms owners like to remain anonymous and the vast majority of owners will never commit a crime, nor will their firearms leave their home. We don't hold people accountable for what criminals do when they steal your car and run people over or lead police on a car chase, so it's not really fair to expect that an implement that can fit in your pocket would somehow be less easy to acquire, regardless if it's locked in a safe or not. Most pistol safes are small and portable. They're really designed to limit access to children and unwanted family members. A savvy criminal will simply take the safe and crack it open at a later date. Just remember that you're talking about your neighbors and not some distant backwoods prepper in a cabin somewhere. There are 9 guns for every 10 Americans and at least 110 million gun owners.

And though it seems impossible and even illogical that you would potentially need to keep a tyrannical government at bay, this truly is the reason for why the 2A exists. Does a semi-automatic rifle stand a chance against a predator drone? Not really. But a bunch of goat herders living in caves in Afghanistan have done it for 15 years now. They've stood up to a $700 Billion defense budget, and prior to that they took down the Soviet Union. So it's not out of the question at all.

Results from the 2013 CDC study on gun violence:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...gs_from_a.html

[Thirteen]

I actually don't mind hunting rifles and handguns.
I grew up surrounded by hunters and my own sister has a concealed carry permit and a gun.

I simply want more accountability for responsible ownership, and quite frankly, less accessibility overall for certain makes and models.

As for the study, the CDC should have been able to study data a long time ago.


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[poky]

I simply want more accountability for responsible ownership

Something like this? http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/06/b...ng-sanity.html

[OrionGrad]

We're about to move to an area where hunting is very popular and many more people have guns in their homes than in the places we've lived up to this point. On one hand, I'm trying to accept it and not be so judgmental. On the other hand, I'm struggling with what to do about our boys playing at friends houses when they might have guns in their home. Do I ask all parents if they have guns? And if they say yes, then what?? It's so awkward to bring up. Just something I'm working through in my head right now...

[rufflesanddots]

Maybe you could follow up with asking how they're stored? Or even asking to see how they're stored before the play date? I worry about this in the future also.

[spotty_dog]

Honestly, the more I hear from responsible gun owners, the more frustrating the political aspects of things become. Like, people have been freaking out that Obama is going to take their guns since Sandy Hook if not prior, and yet the Democratic party has made basically no moves in the direction of gun control. (California seems to have hit its breaking point with San Bernadino last winter, and in under 6 months had comprehensive new gun laws on the books.) But this year, suddenly Orlando brings the public frustration with gun violence to a higher point than ever and the Dems are having sit-ins and filibusters…okay...But WHAT, exactly, is the agenda they're trying to move forward? Oh, right, using the no-fly list to identify potential terrorists -- even though that list is known to be extremely flawed and biased, and the ACLU opposes using it for this purpose. I'm not terribly impressed.

I also live where hunting and sport shooting are things. I don't know how to broach those questions either. If you ask, "Do you own guns? Mind telling me how they're stored?" and the reasonable gun owner says, "Oh, yeah! I have X precautions in place," then you're good to go. But if they look at you funny or say, "Junior knows better than to touch my guns," or something, then…what? Take your kid and walk away and burn those bridges? Fortunately my kids mostly play outdoors with their friends, or at my house.

[diggitydot]

We hold people accountable all the time for the actions of others when their property is used. Neighbor kid gets into your pool or onto your trampoline while you're not home and injures themselves? Yup, homeowner can be held responsible for having an attractive nuisance. Your kid takes your car without permission and you didn't make the keys inaccessible? Yup, you can be held responsible for the damages they caused.

But the crime of not securing your weapon isn't being committed by someone else. It's being committed by the person who owns the gun, keeps it in an easy-to-steal location or state, and enables its way into the illegal weapon pipeline. When it's eventually used in a crime and then found is just what makes it easy to determine that it made its way to the black market.

Laws need to be passed that clearly outline what are and what are not legitimate methods of securing firearms because WAAAAAAAYYYY too many people can't figure this shit out, as evidence of the huge stolen illegal gun industry.

[diggitydot]

Something like this? http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/06/b...ng-sanity.html

Hell, yes.

You own a gun, it’s your responsibility. Period. No excuses. If Adam Lanza’s idiot mother had properly secured her weapons, she and the innocents of Sandy Hook would still be alive. Hundreds of people are killed or injured every single year in the United States by unsecured weapons. Weapons are stolen and fall into the wrong hands, because they are not properly stored.

The NRA itself, by its own rules for safe gun handling, dictates that weapons must be stored so that they are not accessible to unauthorized persons. Note that the NRA doesn’t dictate the method, only the requirement.

Make it the law.

[Bittersweet]

Maybe you could follow up with asking how they're stored? Or even asking to see how they're stored before the play date? I worry about this in the future also.

Yes this. It's awkward as hell but I'm too terrified not to follow up. I preface it by saying the we don't have guns, so my boys have absolutely no gun awareness and that I haven't been the best at educating them. It kinda puts the onus back on me a bit. I HATE it.


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[MrsK]

Yes this. It's awkward as hell but I'm too terrified not to follow up. I preface it by saying the we don't have guns, so my boys have absolutely no gun awareness and that I haven't been the best at educating them. It kinda puts the onus back on me a bit. I HATE it.


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I ask too.

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[MrsK]

I'm sorry this discussion got personal but I'm delighted to hear differing points of view.

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[TulipsAndSunscreen]

Yes this. It's awkward as hell but I'm too terrified not to follow up. I preface it by saying the we don't have guns, so my boys have absolutely no gun awareness and that I haven't been the best at educating them. It kinda puts the onus back on me a bit. I HATE it.


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I ask. We are just getting to the age of drop off play dates.

I ask in the context of other safety/allergy issues. We don't have any allergy issues in our family but I don't serve my kids allergens on a day we are seeing children with an allergy (for example we didn't eat PB before seeing [MENTION=1257]Deebs[/MENTION] kids a few months ago bc so many kids have contact allergies). So I always say, "two questions...do you have an allergies we should be aware of? And do you have any firearms in your home?"

If yes to the firearms, I ask how they're stored. The answer must be "in a gun safe, unloaded" or my kid doesn't go. I haven't had to keep her home but I will. I'm more than happy to have other children here or meet at parks if there is an unsecured firearm in the home.

Any responsible gun owner should be willing to have this conversation. If not, that's a red flag.

[SoonerTexan]

We haven't gotten there yet, but I'm planning to ask too. We are in Texas after all 😏

Same as T&S. It will be a no go if they are not properly secured.


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[MrsK]

I worry people will lie about securing the gun. It's kind of like the gun is locked up except when it's not.

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